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ATT vs CWA

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help me understand please.

what would locking out 70,000 union workers do for AT&T? who's going to do the work, AT&T 1st and 2nd level managers? would AT&T hire contractors to do the work? not a bad gig for a contractor but once the new contract came into effect, good bye contractor.
by the way, doesn't the National Labor Relations Board look down upon companies that lock out union workers during bargaining? isn't that considered 'not bargaining in good faith'?


WhiteWizard
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Ya the managers would be doing the work. They have also called friends of mine who worked for at&t at one point and put adds in the newspapers, craigslist etc. looking for workers.
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Homer J
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A lockout would seem to be the same thing as a strike, except that the company chooses to not let the workers perform their job, but when it is a strike the workers are choosing to not perform their jobs. Of course people who wish to perform their jobs and do not agree with the union decision to strike are threatened and harassed for choosing to do their jobs and provide for their family.


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During a Lockout they lock out the Unions. They CAN force you to WORK without a contract BY court order. For the most part they'll start hiring employees that are non-union and go from there.

The Toledo Blade did this and still have several locked out to this day.

It's a great way to get rid of the Union and the companies know this, only because they can get President Obama to FORCE those employees BACK to work WITHOUT a contract.



Homer J
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They can't force you to work. You can simply quit. They can get a court order to compel you to return to work with the threat of firing if you don't. I can not see Nobama doing something against the unions, such as forcing workers to return to work without a contract. He needs them to win an election. That's another good reason not to vote for him.



Homer J
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My cousin works for UPS in managment and the last time the drivers went on strike he donned his brown uniform again and delivered packages.
My UPS driver at the time made the mistake of choosing to work even though the union went on strike. His tires were slashed and he was called a scab for his efforts. His crime was not agreeing with the decision to strike and choosing not to support what he felt were unrealistic demands that cost UPS more money and were of no benfit to him or any other UPS driver. The only one to benefit was the union as they needed UPS to keep paying into their pension plan to keep it running.


sonicmerlin

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said by Homer J:

A lockout would seem to be the same thing as a strike, except that the company chooses to not let the workers perform their job, but when it is a strike the workers are choosing to not perform their jobs. Of course people who wish to perform their jobs and do not agree with the union decision to strike are threatened and harassed for choosing to do their jobs and provide for their family.
Considering a union has a forward-thinking mentality that seeks to benefit everyone for the long-term, I can understand their hostility to people who take advantage of their concerted effort to benefit everyone.

sonicmerlin

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said by Homer J:

They can't force you to work. You can simply quit. They can get a court order to compel you to return to work with the threat of firing if you don't. I can not see Nobama doing something against the unions, such as forcing workers to return to work without a contract. He needs them to win an election. That's another good reason not to vote for him.
Yes, don't vote for Obama because he wins elections by pleasing *WORKERS*, who make up the vast majority of the US populace. Brilliant. Why would we want government to work in the interests of the COMMON MAN? That's ridiculous.

hottboiinnc
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I voted for him only to get out of war.

McCain would send more over to Iraq and bomb some more and kill off more of our troops (but thats another topic).

But Yes when it comes to ATT and the NSA programs he'd force ATT back to work to get the data that NSA needs.

Just remember though Wal-Mart is the largest Retailer in the world, Homer TLC - The Home Depot is the world's largest home improvement retailer and LF Ventures - Lowe's Home Centers is the 2nd largest home improvement retailer in the world are ALL against Unions. That money there can and will put a hurt on those unions.

IF you say anything about joining a union and work for THD or Lowe's kiss your job good bye, as you'll be gone that day.


sonicmerlin

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said by Homer J:

My cousin works for UPS in managment and the last time the drivers went on strike he donned his brown uniform again and delivered packages.
My UPS driver at the time made the mistake of choosing to work even though the union went on strike. His tires were slashed and he was called a scab for his efforts. His crime was not agreeing with the decision to strike and choosing not to support what he felt were unrealistic demands that cost UPS more money and were of no benfit to him or any other UPS driver. The only one to benefit was the union as they needed UPS to keep paying into their pension plan to keep it running.
The common man will without a doubt become irrationally angry. He doesn't spend years in an institution learning to express his views through intelligent dialogue and clever writing.

What they were so angry about is that his actions were negatively affecting *everyone* around him. Even if he thinks their demands are unrealistic, it's not his call to decide for everyone else what they should or shouldn't receive. By going to work against the unions' wishes, he was in effect screwing over everyone in that union who were risking their livelihood, their paycheck, their kids' food, their home mortgage, their health care, *everything* to achieve what they felt was right so deeply that they would go to such lengths to achieve it. He was essentially saying "screw you" to everyone and their beliefs. It's not hard to see how a common man would become angry at such a slight.


Homer J
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I would not consider a union to be forward thinking. They do what they can to protect jobs that are no longer necessary due to modernization. They protect lazy workers (not saying all union workers are lazy) and encourage people to not do something that is not in their job description, even if they are capable of doing it easily. It may somehow cause someone to lose their job. Better to sit there and wait for the guy to come do his job.
So it is ok to harass a person who does not agree with a decision to strike and wishes to continue to provide for his family.



Homer J
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Workers make up a vast majority of the country, the vast amount of these workers are not in unions and are doing just fine without them.
Obama has already done a good job of showing that he lied to get elected and now we are stuck with him till 2012, but hopefully enough people will wake up to his lies and send him back to Chicago.



Homer J
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Obama wanted people to believe McCain would have sent more people and contiued the war. If you listened to what McCain said you would have known that was not what he wanted to do at all.
If enough people working there felt they needed a union to represent them, they would seek a union. There are not enough people who want one, so the union should stay away. The union would love to get into one of those places, wanted by the employees or not.



Homer J
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Its his place to decide if he is happy with the deal he is getting from the company. If he is he should be able to come to work with out fear or reprisal from his employer or fellow employees.
It is not the other workers place to make that decision for him either.
It is their choice to take the risk, they should not be able to push their decision onto him.
So there is no excuse for their actions, they were criminal and they should have been prosecuted for them.
The fight had nothing to do with their living, it was over UPS pulling out of the Teamsters pension plan and offering their workers a private pension plan. It would have saved UPS money and the UPS employees would have gotten more money from their pension. The Teamsters needed UPS to keep paying into their pension plan to keep it solvent. It was all about the union itself and not the workers. They were getting screwed by the union and went on strike to make sure it continued to happen.



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said by ATT vs CWA :

what would locking out 70,000 union workers do for AT&T? who's going to do the work, AT&T 1st and 2nd level managers? would AT&T hire contractors to do the work? not a bad gig for a contractor but once the new contract came into effect, good bye contractor.
by the way, doesn't the National Labor Relations Board look down upon companies that lock out union workers during bargaining? isn't that considered 'not bargaining in good faith'?
The NLRB will charge the employer with an "unfair labor practice" charge and force AT&T to reinstate the workers.
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