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 ztmikeMark for moderationPremium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN | bah These people should be happy they even have a job. Thousands of thousands of people would galdy take it without these "benefits" | |
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| Re: bah said by ztmike:These people should be happy they even have a job. Thousands of thousands of people would galdy take it without these "benefits" Who says 'these people' aren't happy to have a job?
If you worked for 'X' company for several years and had good benefits, wages etc and find out that X company (who even during the recession is reaping large profits) is trying to strip their employees of these said benefits, you wouldn't be upset either? | |
| |  woody7Premium
join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA | hmmm..... Not a Union fan, but if you have studied the history, they have done more good, than bad. Without them wages would have been stagnate. There is a lot of "FUD" out there about unions. Most union members are loyal to their company, and decent hard working men and women who care about their work and job. Even though I am not a union member, I appreciate the fact that a lot of my value to my company is based somewhat on what the unions get. Not a big fan of out sourcing, so I am glad that unions are against that. Remember, most companies don't give a $hit about their employees, just the bottom line. Unions tend to help keep them accountable for their actions. Peace
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| | |  Homer JMmmm, Free Goo
join:2000-10-05
Springfield | Re: hmmm..... I agree that unions ahve done a lot of good over the years and there are many hard working union members. However as with anything power corrupts and some unions have become very corrupt due to too much power. They are sometimes demanding unrealistic concessions from companies that make it so a company can not compete. They often make it seem the company is evil and out to screw the employee at every turn. This is not always the case, most companies appreciate their workers and do not want to lose them. It is expensive to recruit, hire and train people.
I don't see a problem with paying a person a fair wage based on the job they are performing. A person should be expected to pay some portion of their healthcare, it is not an entitlement. | |
| | | | woody7Premium
join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA | Re: hmmm..... I agree, but a lot of bashing is done by misinformed people like with the insurance argument. you can't fault union members for wanting good medical. That is why I can't understand all this misinformation against reasonable cost medical, notice I said reasonable not free. This would make life a lot easier for companies, and help reduce their cost and make us on a level playing field with other countries that have "lower cost medicine or even free medical". This would be a win win for everyone, except the big medical conglomerates. But that would be one less pain in the azz for the corporations and eliminate a bargaining chip for the unions.
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1 edit | said by Homer J:I agree that unions ahve done a lot of good over the years and there are many hard working union members. However as with anything power corrupts and some unions have become very corrupt due to too much power. They are sometimes demanding unrealistic concessions from companies that make it so a company can not compete. They often make it seem the company is evil and out to screw the employee at every turn. This is not always the case, most companies appreciate their workers and do not want to lose them. It is expensive to recruit, hire and train people. I don't see a problem with paying a person a fair wage based on the job they are performing. A person should be expected to pay some portion of their healthcare, it is not an entitlement. Um, AT&T makes BILLIONS in profit every year. You actually don't know anything about US history, do you? I highly recommend you read "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn. I know you won't, but I feel compelled to recommend it nonetheless. The basic gist is that companies ARE out to screw their employees at every turn. Profit is, has been, and forever will be the single greatest motivator of mankind. Employers will always, *always* seek to make more money at the expense of their employees. I can cite numerous examples of this, but I really, *really* prefer you just read the book I recommended instead. | |
| | | | | Homer JMmmm, Free Goo
join:2000-10-05
Springfield | Re: hmmm..... I like to be open minded and went to Amazon to look at the book you mentioned. I was not surprise you would recommend a left wing piece like this book.
He teaches the same garbage that unions spew to their members. Companies are out to screw their employees and will take advantage of them every chance they get with out the union there to protect them. You are welcome to go right on believing this type of union propoganda, but the rest of us live in the real world where we like to get paid for work and do not need a union to represent our interests or the interests the union thinks we should have. | |
| | | | | | | | Re: hmmm..... well homie, This company at&t IS out to screw the union as well as the most loyal manager. They completely removed all the upper execs in conn., we have no legacy SNET anymore. We now hire your contractors buddies like we did for DSL they were a great bunch we paid those losers to do work and the left customers out of service and took money foe work not don't. I personally found jobs ex. fibers in cased not fused, open cables going nowhere. So I guess homie corruption is everywhere and unions are like clubs or sports people of like minds doing thing together as a collective. Kinda like being American go USA, or a Sox or Yankees fan we all share the wins and losses. We haven't made any demands other than to keep what we have. Which by the way took years to get and we gave up many raises in the EAST for them. They are Job security if in the event of a layoff the employees would be grouped and bumped to a lower job or offered a operator or Uverse tech job before being laid off. Things like two man areas for job safety or 2 men working in a manhole"OSHA rule" att wants to cut both. Our great health care started as 5 HMO 2 Networks when SNET to POSh*t or nothing and our vision when from a real doctor to Walmart and now we are to pay up to 2500 before they kick it in. The average age of may of my peers is 50 are we doomed or what.?So we are fighting the company who spent more money on Consulting firms and Zero Chaos to break our union, than they'll spend on health care. Hey homie open your eyes the corporations are killing the middle-class before your eyes. The Contractor work force is nothing new, hey look what that did for the Troops in IRAQ, when Cheaney and his monkey Bush sold the rights,to do troop support, to contractors. Those LAZY mess cooks can't do it right, We the contractor CAN! And let's not even talk about the Blackhawk posse's on a killing spree no UCMJ no US law no IRAQ law well well paid assassins, What else can The Government sell out how ABOUT OUR WAR technology? We don't need unions making anything, we got a new worker illegal aliens are pretending to be contractors. They are the GYPSY running from state to state, cutting corners to make a buck nice job!!!???
I worked for PWA for 16 yrs and the Company sent everyjob overseas more to beat environmental and tax laws than the labor lie. yes it was union and at the time, I, like you, felt it was brainwashing.The thugs with union songs and forced joining but , then I also saw the other side... the corporate DOG and PONY side and it was worse.So today in this corporate end of the world view, you even are a bigger pawn to the corporations because if you stand alone you are a mere gnat to them, but this union, at at&t SCARED the Sh#t out of upper management and if they spent the last 2 yrs prepping for a no strike event why...huummm????Boo Run randall run.."if they really believe we're the devil, then let's send them to hell....'' BOC | |
| | | | | | | Homer JMmmm, Free Goo
join:2000-10-05
Springfield | Re: hmmm..... Pete, I won't comment on most of your post as I had no idea of what you were trying so say.
I did pick up on the Iraq part. Seems they did not have enough people to do certain jobs in Iraq, so they hired contractors who could do it more quickly than the military could on it own. If they allowed the military to handle it and it took them time to get it up and running there would be complaining about the time it took to get things up and running. So it was a no-win situation. | |
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