 mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | reply to andrewhaji
Re: From Rocky: OUTRAGEOUS CRTC Descision Say goodbye to the internet in Canada. Now Bell and Rogers can proceed with creating a tiered system and prioritize their content. |
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koreybReplace the CRTC NOW
join:2005-01-08
Etobicoke, ON Reviews:
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said by jat:said by koreyb:So for me.. @ 175 gigs a month... $52.50 Plus tax.. So basically what's the point when I can get much FASTER services at 7 and 10 mb for about that.. What ISP offers 7mbit or 10mbit service that'll let you do 175GB for $50/mo? AFAIK, they all have caps of around 60-100GB, which means you'll either never hit 175GB, or will get hit with overage charges driving up the price well above $50/mo. I imagine TekSavvy would still be a better deal, even though it would suck compared to their current packages. Primus... if your in their own DSLAM areas offers unlimited for 34.95 7X1 |
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join:2002-06-18 | reply to mlerner
said by mlerner:said by Angelo:what happens if 3rd party bandwidth trackers suddenly break  I think I see where you're going there but Bell will be tracking all usage in detail on their end and billing the ISP either way. crtc did say 3 months to notify their users and its clear if its broken users have no way to know their usage without ahem bell telling us...
and it would prove also how dpi is a privacy issue  |
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aheintzPremium
join:2007-06-24
Plattsville, ON | reply to mlerner
I'm not the best writer here if someone has a letter that I can use to send to my local MP that would be great. |
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it's time to bond 56k modems...... shotgun modem |
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AngeloThe Network GuyPremium
join:2002-06-18 | said by dsldsl :
it's time to bond 56k modems...... shotgun modem
fuck that isdn |
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In a previous discussion on this I also seem to remember something about how Bell doesn't necessarily have to follow this pricing themselves. Only wholesalers do. Meaning that Bell could now effectively undercut all the third party DSL providers in the market and drive them out of business.
Is this correct ? |
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mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | reply to Angelo
said by Angelo:said by mlerner:said by Angelo:what happens if 3rd party bandwidth trackers suddenly break I think I see where you're going there but Bell will be tracking all usage in detail on their end and billing the ISP either way. crtc did say 3 months to notify their users and its clear if its broken users have no way to know their usage without ahem bell telling us... and it would prove also how dpi is a privacy issue Of course and there will be no formal process in place to handle the complaints. The only way the ISPs can intervene is filing a submission with the CRTC for every instance which will take months. So either way if it's broken Bell wins in the end.
Months ago if you argued privacy issue I would have agreed but the CRTC has made it perfectly clear that GAS -> resale -> everyone is a bell customer. |
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 El Quintron... a faint odor of kerosenePremium
join:2008-04-28
Etobicoke, ON
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said by milnoc: There could be an extremely heavy backlash to all of this which could force Bell to back down. I think at this point we should stop trying to live in harmony with Bell and just try and beat them whichever way possible.
Whether that's all Indies not paying Bell, or delaying the CRTC decision as much as possible, or terminating whichever contract we have with Bell.
We're basically stuck playing by the rules while Bell breaks all the rules, its time to stop playing fair.
We could start
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I just sent the following to CRTC:
I am disgusted at the decision the CRTC has made today, by approving 2009-484.
The ruling is highly anti-competitive in nature and prevents independent ISPs from competing with Bell. In effect, it allows Bell to charge 12.5 cents per GB in overage "insurance" while simultaneously charging wholeslae ISPs $1.25 GB in overages. This is a 10x price difference!
Your own ruling clearly states:
The Commission also received a large number of comments, mostly from individuals; these submissions generally opposed the Bell companie's applications.
And yet, you still allowed the ruling?
From crtc.gc.ca you state: The CRTC's mandate is to ensure that both the broadcasting and telecommunications systems serve the Canadian public.
How does your ruling uphold this mandate? This ruling only serves to signficantly increase the price of DSL Internet services in Canada -- especially as P2P applications and streaming video applications become mainstream. BCE turned a profit of $372 million in Q2 and is clearly not about to go bankrupt. Considering this, I cannot in good conscience believe that this move benefits the consumer or independent ISPs in any way.
Please convince me as to how your ruling:
a. upholds your organization's mandate.
b. allows Independent ISPs willing to give me the quantity and quality of Internet transport I desire to do their job. |
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mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | reply to Angelo
said by Angelo:said by dsldsl :
it's time to bond 56k modems...... shotgun modem
fuck that isdn Hmm I thought Bell stopped provisioning ISDN? |
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No no no, Just no.
This is going to put the WISP I work for out of business.
we cant even get fiber where we are DSL is our only option.
This is just so ridiculous im going to switch to rogers for my home connection as well.
My phones going voip.
Bell isn't getting another penny from me.
The CRTC has no reason they have no sense.
If there was a max overcharge of something like $50 a month to no limit this would be ok.
But there isnt
this isnt even remotely acceptable.
edit: A 60GB cap is inanely low, At the WISP I work at ntop shows that are average subscriber useage is 22GB a month they have 2megabits connections, I highest subscriber used 1.2TB last month, second highest 890GB third highest 700GB.
The whole top 10 list on it is over 100GB for everyone on it. |
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AngeloThe Network GuyPremium
join:2002-06-18
1 edit | reply to mlerner
said by mlerner:said by Angelo:said by dsldsl :
it's time to bond 56k modems...... shotgun modem
fuck that isdn Hmm I thought Bell stopped provisioning ISDN? it'll come back =p, and strong! lol |
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Thankfully I'm moving to Europe soon, Canada's going backwards heh.
I'll still try and call/mail as many people as I can but I fear it's a lost cause. |
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 MindMazeIITeksavvy.comPremium
join:2005-06-12
Brossard, QC
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More like what the f** is this country backdrawing on technology.
Bunch of hardheaded in CRTC. Or Square head.
Look at the Eastern country, they are growing and faster and faster. Japan 100Mbps home connection they pay about the same price as us just a $10 higher.
Shrinking country instead of development country. This is totally opposite future of eastern countries on regulations and technology. LOL what a shame.
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MindMazeIITeksavvy.comPremium
join:2005-06-12
Brossard, QC
1 edit | reply to TSI Steve
I'll be moving to Alberta in 1-2 years. So goodbye fcking Bell.
Reason of moving because of Quebec stupid ass law B-101.
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mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | reply to static416
said by static416:In a previous discussion on this I also seem to remember something about how Bell doesn't necessarily have to follow this pricing themselves. Only wholesalers do. Meaning that Bell could now effectively undercut all the third party DSL providers in the market and drive them out of business. Is this correct ? Pretty much. Retail isn't really regulated, wholesale is supposed to be regulated to ensure the pricing and offerings aren't unjustly discriminatory but the CRTC seems to think this is entirely fair. With this change Bell can change their retail offerings and let wholesale bleed customers and losses. |
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 otty
join:2008-10-24
Revelstoke, BC | reply to grayfox
Agreed. I love TSI and all but if UBB is enforced on wholesalers I just cannot justify that much money going to Bell.
The only way to teach them is a massive loss of customers. Then They'll have to back off. |
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| said by otty:The only way to teach them is a massive loss of customers. Then They'll have to back off. Unfortunately such an action would hurt TekSavvy more than Bell. |
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MindMazeIITeksavvy.comPremium
join:2005-06-12
Brossard, QC Reviews:
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| reply to TSI Steve
Your comments into this news article.
»www.cbc.ca/arts/tv/story/2009/08···ing.html
we need to load our guns and attentions.
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