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Re: Too late said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:said by Maccawolf:Didn't quite a few people, myself included, drop their landline for cell only service, and don't we pay a monthly charge for 911 access? The answer to both those questions is YES. Hypothetically, if someone I knows, dies because I can't get through to 911, AT&T will have a NICE lawsuit on their hands. And I'm NOT one of those who sues everything in sight. True that. If I needed to call 911, and couldn't get through, I would sue AT&T for so much money I would use their $20 bills it to light my $100 cigars. You're both living in a dream world if you think that you will see some kind of huge payoff for not being able to reach nine one one from your mobile phone. You can file suit -but one of your causes of action better include a death- and secondly, you better have airtight evidence that it was either (1) Not your phone's malfunction that caused the inability to reach nine one one and/or (2) the network was faulty.
In either scenario, I hope you have pockets as deep as the carrier you think you're going to sue because you will need it to pay your attorney's retainer and fees. If not, then you're going to have to wake up and quit dreaming about lighting a cigar with $100.00 bills. | |
| said by SilverSurfer1:said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:said by Maccawolf:Didn't quite a few people, myself included, drop their landline for cell only service, and don't we pay a monthly charge for 911 access? The answer to both those questions is YES. Hypothetically, if someone I knows, dies because I can't get through to 911, AT&T will have a NICE lawsuit on their hands. And I'm NOT one of those who sues everything in sight. True that. If I needed to call 911, and couldn't get through, I would sue AT&T for so much money I would use their $20 bills it to light my $100 cigars. You're both living in a dream world if you think that you will see some kind of huge payoff for not being able to reach nine one one from your mobile phone. You can file suit -but one of your causes of action better include a death- and secondly, you better have airtight evidence that it was either (1) Not your phone's malfunction that caused the inability to reach nine one one and/or (2) the network was faulty. In either scenario, I hope you have pockets as deep as the carrier you think you're going to sue because you will need it to pay your attorney's retainer and fees. If not, then you're going to have to wake up and quit dreaming about lighting a cigar with $100.00 bills. Uhh, then why do you pay an extra fee to use 911? Afaik, 911 calls are NOT routed over the normal GSM network, rather through CDMA which allows better tracking for your position. And most providers will allow a 911 call to go through on a non activated phone, which logically can't go through the normal network because it isn't authorized to make/receive calls, data, or text.
You are making a tone that makes me think you don't think its that reliable, if that is the case, then why don't *you* have it disabled on your phone?
The case is fairly easy to show -
- Show that a call to 911 was placed during the time of the emergency and it should show a duration of 0 seconds if they call was never connected.
- Show that you can make and receive calls now.
I don't understand what other evidence you need? | |
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| said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:Uhh, then why do you pay an extra fee to use 911? Afaik, 911 calls are NOT routed over the normal GSM network, rather through CDMA which allows better tracking for your position. And most providers will allow a 911 call to go through on a non activated phone, which logically can't go through the normal network because it isn't authorized to make/receive calls, data, or text. You are making a tone that makes me think you don't think its that reliable, if that is the case, then why don't *you* have it disabled on your phone? The case is fairly easy to show - - Show that a call to 911 was placed during the time of the emergency and it should show a duration of 0 seconds if they call was never connected. - Show that you can make and receive calls now. I don't understand what other evidence you need? Nope. If a GSM customer calls 911 it will use the GSM network to route the 911 call, it will be less reliable for locating though because GSM based networks including W-CDMA 3GSM network ONLY use Triangulation for location, unless the 3G network and handset support A-GPS E911 which I am not sure T-Mobile or AT&T support that. Real CDMA1x2000 based networks like Verizon and Sprint use AFLT Triangulation and A-GPS for location.
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| said by iLive4Fusion:said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:Uhh, then why do you pay an extra fee to use 911? Afaik, 911 calls are NOT routed over the normal GSM network, rather through CDMA which allows better tracking for your position. And most providers will allow a 911 call to go through on a non activated phone, which logically can't go through the normal network because it isn't authorized to make/receive calls, data, or text. You are making a tone that makes me think you don't think its that reliable, if that is the case, then why don't *you* have it disabled on your phone? The case is fairly easy to show - - Show that a call to 911 was placed during the time of the emergency and it should show a duration of 0 seconds if they call was never connected. - Show that you can make and receive calls now. I don't understand what other evidence you need? Nope. If a GSM customer calls 911 it will use the GSM network to route the 911 call, it will be less reliable for locating though because GSM based networks including W-CDMA 3GSM network ONLY use Triangulation for location, unless the 3G network and handset support A-GPS E911 which I am not sure T-Mobile or AT&T support that. Real CDMA1x2000 based networks like Verizon and Sprint use AFLT Triangulation and A-GPS for location. Not that I am calling you a lier, but can you post a source so I can read more up on it?
I could have sworn that when you dial 911 it does it over a different network and not treat it like a normal voice call. | |
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kudos:6 | I don't think what the article said was about misinformation about GPS location, I thought it said the CALLS were being routed incorrectly and not going to 911 at all.
Did I read that wrong?
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said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:said by iLive4Fusion:said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:Uhh, then why do you pay an extra fee to use 911? Afaik, 911 calls are NOT routed over the normal GSM network, rather through CDMA which allows better tracking for your position. And most providers will allow a 911 call to go through on a non activated phone, which logically can't go through the normal network because it isn't authorized to make/receive calls, data, or text. You are making a tone that makes me think you don't think its that reliable, if that is the case, then why don't *you* have it disabled on your phone? The case is fairly easy to show - - Show that a call to 911 was placed during the time of the emergency and it should show a duration of 0 seconds if they call was never connected. - Show that you can make and receive calls now. I don't understand what other evidence you need? Nope. If a GSM customer calls 911 it will use the GSM network to route the 911 call, it will be less reliable for locating though because GSM based networks including W-CDMA 3GSM network ONLY use Triangulation for location, unless the 3G network and handset support A-GPS E911 which I am not sure T-Mobile or AT&T support that. Real CDMA1x2000 based networks like Verizon and Sprint use AFLT Triangulation and A-GPS for location. Not that I am calling you a lier, but can you post a source so I can read more up on it? I could have sworn that when you dial 911 it does it over a different network and not treat it like a normal voice call. Well I mean it's just kinda the way it works. A phone will use ANY COMPATIBLE network to dial 911 when there, but a GSM phone Cannot, will not ever use CDMA to make a 911 call. It's just not possible. And I work for a 911 center on their switching equiptment
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A cellular telephone, when calling an emergency number, will use the network with the strongest signal level that it can talk to. Most GSM phones only have GSM radios (850/1800/1900), and most CDMA based phones only have CDMA radios (700/825/1700/1800). For a phone to have both, you usually have to give up a lot of battery or functionality. Most phones that can talk to both are labeled as "World Phones" or something similar.
Many GSM based devices are located with sattelite-based GPS location radios. This is used to supplement the GSM triangulation services provided by the towers to give a more accurate location. (GSM trangiluation is usually accurate to about 1800 feet in the city, and about 3500 feet in less dense areas). CDMA is usually accurate within about 150-400 feet in the city, and about 1200 feet in less populus areas.
The reason why an "unregistered" phone (a phone with no SIM card, or one that has a canceled account, or one from another company) can still call 911 is because the cell companies are required to allow them to access their networks in the case of emergency calls. COR 0 (used for any unregistered or unreconized phone) is often allowed to dial emergency numbers (911), the operator, and customer service numbers (611). | | |
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said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:...Afaik, 911 calls are NOT routed over the normal GSM network, rather through CDMA which allows better tracking for your position. ... thank you for revealing you have no idea what you're talking about.
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