So Much For Google The ISP, Huh? > lol

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reply to openbox9
Building and maintaining that last mile is an expensive pain in all the Grand Broadband Plans. Other then this project Google wants a free ride on the other networks.

I get as upset with all spying Google as I do when the US Gov does it. I don't think most people realize almost every web site has a java script that reports back to Google.

reply to morbo
I expected that response. I view Google as a cocky teenage; so much potential, but it's mostly wasted by jaw flapping and little follow through. The old saying, "put your money where your mouth is" goes a long way and so far Google hasn't done that on the broadband front. So what's your perception of Google and providing broadband service?

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reply to openbox9
jaw flapping and little follow through? it's like you're in your own world there.

The only ones that may view google as a teenager are the old farts at telco. They're used to setting the market pace and price -- they've never quite shook the entitlement they feel they deserve back when they were the monopoly. And who can blame them, really? It's difficult to give up total power. Anyways, here comes a new player that is playing according the rules and the old farts start their belly aching trying to CHANGE the rules, saying it's not fair. That the new guy isn't playing the game according to THEIR rules.

It's great fun to watch the old guys get mad at the new guy. I do feel sorry for them though. They don't have the talent to be anything other than a dumb pipe. Deep down, they know it. Which is why they are fighting so hard against net neutrality and waging the smear campaign against google.

Wait.... is it 1997 again? I swear I've heard all this before.

reply to morbo
So what was your perception of Google as an ISP? My point is that Google is great at trying to tell other ISPs how to run their networks, but doesn't do anything to back their argument. Google's antics would be akin to the ISPs demanding that Google open their advertising system so that others' ads can glow freely their their advertising network.

Don't get me wrong, Google does some good and innovative things and has a lot of talent, I just don't believe they've done anything overly productive on the ISP front for consumers. They're great at spelling out what others should do, but that's about it....

Apparently you are unable to make accurate comparisons. ISPs don't need to demand that Google open up their advertising system. ISPs are free to sign up and create their own ad campaigns within the existing system Google provides. That's just what Google has done: create products people use under the existing internet framework. AT&T hates this because they want a cut of the truckloads of money so now they claim that Google is getting a free ride and kills babies and supports al qaeda. Really ridiculous claims that anyone in the technology field knows is bullshit. But, they are used to getting their way so they fund astroturf organizations and pr campaigns against Google. They also continue the legislative lobbying. Thy are really good at that part.

Google isn't an ISP. They marked their territory in the city where their headquarters is by offering free wifi. It was a slap in the face to AT&T/PacBell (I believe), but that's about it.

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reply to morbo
As someone working from the belly of a Telco today, I think you are making some valid points about Google and Telco's.

Maybe Google is trialling the Mountain View wifi service so they can learn how to do it properly before going national. True its been a a while but maybe they are willing to spend the time to do it right!

I know this is a foreign concept to telco bell heads because they remember a time they had unlimited budget, unlimited resources and no competition. That day is dead. Time to play ball and put customer experience before profit OR collapse and die.

Cough = GM. Lol.

reply to openbox9
Pray tell, exactly WHAT demands is google making to other ISP's? I mean, they support net neutrality, but guess what, EVERY OTHER CONTENT provider does. I think what you are complaining about is that google is vocal about making sure that ISP's are exactly THAT. INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS. I don't WANT comcrap to sell me tv shows, or music, or books, I want comcrap to provide me with the ABILITY to purchase tv shows, music or books from WHOMEVER I want. I want comcast to allow me to search google. I think the problem you have with these google 'demands' is that google is DEMANDING that the ISP's provide what they are selling. If I WANTED a walled garden internet, I would sign up with AOL. If I WANT an ISP, and the megacorps are ADVERTISING they are ISP's, then the ONLY thing I want from them is an IP address, and the ability to use MY connection in the manner I see fit.
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reply to MyDogHsFleas
Yeah -- AT&T wants content and application service providers to pay them to reach their ISP subscribers, as does anyone else who is anti-neutrality (mainly broadband ISPs, and people like openbox9 who either have a stake in the ISPs, or have drunk the kool-aid). We call this "double dipping."

Google, as a content and application provider, does not want to do this, for obvious reasons, as does anyone else who is pro-neutrality. (mainly, companies who aren't broadband ISPs)
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reply to openbox9
That was how i knew they had java script on almost every web site.

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reply to openbox9
Um... Google likely doesn't want to start up an ISP because A: it's INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE, B: it's HORRIFICALLY DIFFICULT to wrest power from the incumbents, and C: It's EXTREMELY hard to to "Do No Evil" when you are an ISP AND a content provider.

Everyone with any rational understanding of the broadband industry wants ISPs to merely be dumb pipes. We all know how much ISPs want to also be content providers and CONTROL the information they send you through "their pipes".

Google is well aware of this.

reply to openbox9
Never stepped up to the plate?

What about Google's $500 million investment in the Clearwire venture?

'»googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/05/···net.html'

Or the fact Google did bid $4.6 billion on 700 MHz C Block auction?

Or the investments in research and development of White Space Devices (WSDs)?

Or creating the Android platform for open mobile development? Or the Chrome browser?

Google doesn't want to expand into a non-core business, like broadband. That's entirely justifiable, but doesn't mean Google isn't willing to spend money to make the web: cheaper, faster, freer, more available, and more open. A place where innovation can occur unfettered.

Coincidentally, that also largely aligns with the interests' of web users.

reply to karlmarx
I have no problem open networks but no one wants to pay for the upgrades to handle the traffic. The heavy usage end users like the unlimited flat charge with no caps. The low volume end users and everybody else hate when that flat fee goes up. I use less then 15 gig per month I don't care to subsidize someone using 500 gig a month if my ISP goes up on the flat rate. The content providers like Hulu and NetFlix and Google don't want to pay for the demands their content put on the last mile of the transport. But on sites like this everybody wants fttp and more speed but cut my flat rate charge. If this community wants better faster networks then somebody is going to have to come up with the money. Content providers, the ISPs, and the End users all need each other to get to a bigger better internet.

reply to openbox9
Google doesn't flap it's jaws until they actually have something. The exception being Android for phones, but they followed through as promised.

Gmail, Google Maps, Google News are services I use every day. I got a Google Voice number which has been handy for giving out to people I wouldn't give my cell phone number to.