So Much For Google The ISP, Huh? > lol

reply to openbox9

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reply to WhatNow

Pray tell, exactly WHAT demands is google making to other ISP's? I mean, they support net neutrality, but guess what, EVERY OTHER CONTENT provider does. I think what you are complaining about is that google is vocal about making sure that ISP's are exactly THAT. INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS. I don't WANT comcrap to sell me tv shows, or music, or books, I want comcrap to provide me with the ABILITY to purchase tv shows, music or books from WHOMEVER I want. I want comcast to allow me to search google. I think the problem you have with these google 'demands' is that google is DEMANDING that the ISP's provide what they are selling. If I WANTED a walled garden internet, I would sign up with AOL. If I WANT an ISP, and the megacorps are ADVERTISING they are ISP's, then the ONLY thing I want from them is an IP address, and the ability to use MY connection in the manner I see fit.
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reply to openbox9
That was how i knew they had java script on almost every web site.

reply to openbox9
Um... Google likely doesn't want to start up an ISP because A: it's INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE, B: it's HORRIFICALLY DIFFICULT to wrest power from the incumbents, and C: It's EXTREMELY hard to to "Do No Evil" when you are an ISP AND a content provider.

Everyone with any rational understanding of the broadband industry wants ISPs to merely be dumb pipes. We all know how much ISPs want to also be content providers and CONTROL the information they send you through "their pipes".

Google is well aware of this.

reply to karlmarx
I have no problem open networks but no one wants to pay for the upgrades to handle the traffic. The heavy usage end users like the unlimited flat charge with no caps. The low volume end users and everybody else hate when that flat fee goes up. I use less then 15 gig per month I don't care to subsidize someone using 500 gig a month if my ISP goes up on the flat rate. The content providers like Hulu and NetFlix and Google don't want to pay for the demands their content put on the last mile of the transport. But on sites like this everybody wants fttp and more speed but cut my flat rate charge. If this community wants better faster networks then somebody is going to have to come up with the money. Content providers, the ISPs, and the End users all need each other to get to a bigger better internet.

Honestly, if you only use 15GB/month, then you are a fool if you pay for anything more than the lowest level DSL (call it 768), for about $14.00/month. If you are paying $60+, then why are you complaining, you don't NEED a 20mb/sec connection, and you are throwing your money away. So stop complaining when someone USES what they pay for, and do yourself a favor, and only PAY for what YOU USE. If you don't WANT to subsidize the heavy user, guess what, YOU DON'T HAVE TO. Get a cheaper plan!
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reply to sonicmerlin

So help me out here... your argument is that every company who wants to put up a website must "contribute to infrastructure" above and beyond what they already pay their own ISP, preferably by building their own damn network?


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reply to karlmarx

reply to sivran
That most definitely is not my argument nor what I wrote. Google does much more than "put up a website" btw. They are very adamant and outspoken as to how other companies should run their networks. There has been much buzz that Google was interested in being an ISP, so much so that they've invested minimal amounts of money to do so to save face imo. If they truly want a utopian and open network, then they should get serious about it, otherwise Google is simply pawing (that's not necessarily a bad thing btw) at the incumbent ISPs like everyone else.

So then why are you so against neutrality?

I've never stated I'm against network neutrality? I have stated that there's no reason to overly regulate the ISPs at this point in time. Watchful eyes with occasional hand slaps have worked nicely and will continue to do so imo.