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mrkevin
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Re-defined broadband

As a literal term, 'Broadband' is a frequency bandwidth outside the voice range of 300-3400 hz

but because this usually carries internet traffic it has become synonymous with an internet connection.
I think we should come up with a new term.

In a fiber application the term broadband is meaningless. So should we start calling those internet connections 'wave length'?
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said by mrkevin:

As a literal term, 'Broadband' is a frequency bandwidth outside the voice range of 300-3400 hz

but because this usually carries internet traffic it has become synonymous with an internet connection.
I think we should come up with a new term.

In a fiber application the term broadband is meaningless. So should we start calling those internet connections 'wave length'?
Maybe start calling it "High Speed Connectivity" and then sub-divide the definitions by media type(fiber, copper, wireless(fixed and mobile)). Then a speed could be defined that would be considered "high speed" for each sub category.

All other things being discussed here(latency, reliability, etc) should not be part of deciding if something is "high speed" or not. Those are service issues best left to the individual providers and that can be used to differentiate them from each other for advertising purposes.
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reply to mrkevin
I too chafe at calling high speed "broadband" as well as 8P8C Structured wiring connector RJ-45. But some battles just ain't worth fighting.

/tom


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Why does a minimum threshold need to be defined for "high speed" connections? I often ask the "who cares what the definition is". Bragging rights? Handing out federal loans/grants? Who cares about a throughput definition today that will be out of date tomorrow? If we really want to develop an enduring infrastructure in this country, why don't we define a common architecture/infrastructure, that's modular and easily upgradeable, then entice current (or new) providers to build the network and migrate their services to the infrastructure?

And yes, I just dropped the "national infrastructure" turd in the punchbowl. I think the concept has merit and should be defined before we worthlessly define "broadband" as x Mbps.



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said by openbox9:

Why does a minimum threshold need to be defined for "high speed" connections? I often ask the "who cares what the definition is".
If you are going to set broadband policy and perhaps create economic incentives need to define what you are talking about.

/tom

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That's why I suggest defining a scalable, robust, and common infrastructure, not throughput. People around this forum like to trot out the interstate highway system when a national infrastructure comes up for discussion. I don't believe a roadway is defined as two lanes, or three, four, etc. While planning the highway system takes into account the number of lanes required (bandwidth) given current and projected traffic patterns, it also lays out common standards and guidelines for expansion of additional lanes and new roads. Please convince me of a good purpose of defining throughput in a "broadband" definition.


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Allowing slower services like copper and wireless to arbitrarily define what "broadband" means to them would result in a disincentive to invest in faster technologies and the deception of consumers who think they're getting the same "high-speed" as their friends.


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So that they can't advertise providing "broadband" without actually providing "broadband"?


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And that would be about the last reason that I think we should waste time trying to define something. If we stop trying to define it, then it won't matter how it's advertised. Besides, most advertisements that I see are for "high speed internet access, at up to xx mbps".


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No it wouldn't. For those who actually care how much bandwidth they have, they'll be educated enough to know that "there's is better than their friend's". For the others, it really isn't a concern of there's.



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said by Romney2012:

Maybe start calling it "High Speed Connectivity"
said by Romney2012:

All other things being discussed here(latency, reliability, etc) should not be part of deciding if something is "high speed" or not.
I disagree. For many applications latency and packet loss are as important if not more important then raw speed. I use the analogy of a truck full of DVDs going from Point A to Point B. When it finally arrives it has tremendous speed (aka broadband) but so much latency as to make it unusable for most applications.

Reliability is a squishy topic. Current best effort residential service means ISP has no obligation to actually deliver what they market. The trick will be to provide straight forward metrics that provide reasonable service level agreement at a cost customer and ISP are willing to pay.

/tom

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said by tschmidt:

[For many applications latency and packet loss are as important if not more important then raw speed.
That is true. But that shouldn't come in to play when defining what is broadband and what isn't. Unless you subscribe to the theory that the FCC MUST be involved in regulating ALL ASPECTS of what ISPs are offering. I say they should butt out. Others want the gov't to manage & regulate everything at a detailed level.
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said by Romney2012:

I say they should butt out. Others want the gov't to manage & regulate everything at a detailed level.
I'm sensitive to that argument. But if the goal is to create Federal broadband policy we need to define what is meant by broadband. If we are not able to agree on what broadband means any policy decisions based on a flawed premise are nonsense.

/tom


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I do think that HSI or HSIA (High Speed Internet Access) is a better term for it. The problem with "High Speed" is that it is such a relative term. I had an old USR 14.4k dialup modem, which was "High Speed Technology". To some extent I think the use of "Broadband" to refer to a fast internet connection got its legs because we needed something even faster and more unique than "high speed".
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I'd either like massive changes in these local monopoly laws for TV, phone and networks in general, so that it's easy and there are little to no barriers to entry beyond the physical build out cost, or in exchange for monopolies and franchise agreements, the compaines are regulated to within an inch of their existance.

If I can't change providers because there is exactly one provider available, and I can't start my own company to compete because of local franchise agreements and a total inability to get right of ways then I should be able to get my government to make sure I'm not getting screwed.
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mrkevin
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said by jp10558:

I should be able to get my government to make sure I'm not getting screwed.
I think the operative word is "should"
Good luck with that.
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