 baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | Upload Why are companies so afraid of upload speeds? |
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| Because upstream DOCSIS 3.0 channel bonding hasn't been perfected yet? |
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binded2
join:2009-08-11
Providence, RI | you dont think that even once they do channel bonding that there going to up your upstream
its not going to happen and if you happen to get 50/20
i bet it will be in the range of like $150 for service just like fios |
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| No, but it's going to be better than 5Mbps upstream for $90-$150 per month. But yes, I get it -- which is why I have FTTH. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to baineschile
Good question. Comcast appears to be comfortable giving people 10 Mbps connections on the high end. Then again, Comcast doesn't put very many houses on a node compared with other cable systems, so Cox may not have a much headroom. |
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 ajc18aka IGnatius T Foobar
join:2000-05-06
Mount Kisco, NY | reply to baineschile
said by baineschile:Why are companies so afraid of upload speeds? With some technologies, such as DOCSIS and ADSL, each frequency band can only be allocated to either an upstream or downstream channel. As a result, the more channels they dedicate to upstream, the fewer they have available to dedicate to downstream.
Consumer ISP's know that residential subs do a lot more downloading than uploading, so they allocate bandwidth where it's needed.
There are other technical reasons as well. For example, with ADSL you don't have as many issues with crosstalk in the downstream direction. By the time the signal has degraded enough for crosstalk to become a problem, it's already been fanned out to a wide enough geographic area that it's not an issue. Upstream, however, all of the far ends are in the same cable bundle, so they have to stick with lower speeds in order to minimize crosstalk.
And of course there's the cynical reason: upstream bandwidth is for businesses, and they want to charge you more for business service.
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CC has 50/10 for 99$ when bundled thats a decent price, i can deal with that. |
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join:2003-07-05
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said by iansltx:Good question. Comcast appears to be comfortable giving people 10 Mbps connections on the high end. Then again, Comcast doesn't put very many houses on a node compared with other cable systems, so Cox may not have a much headroom. Some Cox markets have very few homes on a node. I never drop below advertised speeds here. They've done a great job of network management in Vegas, now if they'd just upgrade speeds.
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Cool. I was just speculating on why Cox oesn't have 10 Mbps uploads on its highest tier.
Here in Texas, TWC actually gives advertised speeds...and then some due to PowerBoost...on all their tiers. They apparently don't have too many homes per node.
At school I have Comcast. They also give advertised speeds...and then some...so their nodes aren't overloaded either.
On the flip side, companies like Suddenlink are very conservative about their speed tiers because they have lots of houses per node and thus don't have the excess capacity needed to launch super-fast broadband connectivity. |
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 jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA | reply to binded2
said by binded2:you dont think that even once they do channel bonding that there going to up your upstream its not going to happen and if you happen to get 50/20 i bet it will be in the range of like $150 for service just like fios How about $90 for 50/20 FiOS service, like many of us currently enjoy? |
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| said by jmn1207:said by binded2:you dont think that even once they do channel bonding that there going to up your upstream its not going to happen and if you happen to get 50/20 i bet it will be in the range of like $150 for service just like fios How about $90 for 50/20 FiOS service, like many of us currently enjoy? Standalone or bundle? |
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 sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sisterPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
·Optimum Online
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said by Karl Bode:Because upstream DOCSIS 3.0 channel bonding hasn't been perfected yet? You're such an industry shill.
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50/20 for 90$ is an awesome price espcially if it is standalone, even if it is bundle it is still good. |
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jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA | reply to fifty nine
said by fifty nine:said by jmn1207:said by binded2:you dont think that even once they do channel bonding that there going to up your upstream its not going to happen and if you happen to get 50/20 i bet it will be in the range of like $150 for service just like fios How about $90 for 50/20 FiOS service, like many of us currently enjoy? Standalone or bundle? I have TV service too, but you can get it for $95 alone with a one year commitment or $115 month-to-month. |
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said by Karl Bode:Because upstream DOCSIS 3.0 channel bonding hasn't been perfected yet? Actually it's because most people other than techies really don't care about increased upload speeds.
Most people I know don't care about numbers either. They care about it being fast and always on. |
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jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA | reply to fifty nine
It looks like the price is now $95 with an annual agreement plan, and this is not part of any bundle. So, the prices have gone up $5 since I signed up back in December of last year. The month-to-month price is still the same, but the ETF for breaking the agreement is so low that you would be better off going with the annual plan and cancelling after 2 months of service rather than go month-to-month.
These prices are similar for both the DC metro area and the NY region from what I have discovered. Not sure where Verizon is charging $140+ or more for this service, but it is what they advertise.
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Whittier, AK | Nice if you can get it. Comcast has pushed Docsis 3.0 to more folks in a couple of months than Verizon has fios subs total.
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | reply to ajc18
Its not that a channel is allocated to upstream or downstream, its wiring limits. For HFC/coax, the amplifiers have only a handful of upstream channels that have to contain DAVIC, DOCSIS, legacy analog, etc to control the boxes, PPV, MOD, VOD, IPG data, etc.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Amer···quencies
For DSL, the problem is crosstalk at the CO. When the upstream data reaches the CO, its already weak, but all the RFI/harmonics from all the other pairs in the ducts and building weaken the upload even more by the time it enters the line card. For DSL download channels, its very quiet at your house, you have many times less RFI than at the CO, so your modem gets a much stronger signal and can go faster. |
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kes601
join:2007-04-14
Virginia Beach, VA | reply to jmn1207
Virginia is the only state that gets that low of a price on the top tier on FiOS. I'm not sure of the price in other states, but it is quite a bit higher. |
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binded2
join:2009-08-11
Providence, RI | reply to jmn1207
said by jmn1207:said by binded2:you dont think that even once they do channel bonding that there going to up your upstream its not going to happen and if you happen to get 50/20 i bet it will be in the range of like $150 for service just like fios How about $90 for 50/20 FiOS service, like many of us currently enjoy? because not even one gets it for $90 here in rhode island its listed as $145
Fastest
Download up to 50 Mbps / Upload up to 20 Mbps
FREE Wi-Fi access included
Wireless router included
Included for one computer
$139.95/mo. with phone
$144.95/mo. with out phone
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