iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Interesting to see what markets Cox thinks are competitive I'd say right off the bat that the Phoenix market, with Qwest's VDSL2 product, is less competitive than FiOS-powered areas, but I guess that's just me. Then again, Cox may realize that they aren't getting any 50/5 customers in FiOS-powered areas because Verizon is pricing themselves around $90 for 50/20 service, with DSLExtreme offering 50/20 FiOS for $100 across Verizon's whole footprint.
Then again, we're talking about a cable company here. Still don't get why they'd have lower access pricing in an area where most people won't be able to get even 40/5 service through Qwest because their VDSL loops are too long.
All that said, I'd probably get 12/5 Qwest VDSL over whatever Cox has if VDSL was available to me. Heck, I'd probably even try 40/20 out though it'd only be for a month...$120 for home internet is a bit rich for my blood unless it's a 100 Mbps symmetric connection  |
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 tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM
join:2008-01-16
Chandler, AZ | said by iansltx:I'd say right off the bat that the Phoenix market, with Qwest's VDSL2 product, is less competitive than FiOS-powered areas, but I guess that's just me. Then again, Cox may realize that they aren't getting any 50/5 customers in FiOS-powered areas because Verizon is pricing themselves around $90 for 50/20 service, with DSLExtreme offering 50/20 FiOS for $100 across Verizon's whole footprint. aside from areas in nova, and maybe some places in florida, where else does cox compete directly with fios? also, it takes time for the fios buildouts to occur. i've heard several stories (some in the cox forum) that an area is "slated" for fios rollout, but nothing has arrived yet. in the mean time, cox has already pushed d3 to all the nodes in that area and people can upgrade immediately. as it goes, fios (even though its faster and cheaper) is the late comer to the neighborhood and cox has already milked for its upgrades.
in the phoenix market, the "premier plus" was just the icing on the cake to make cox faster than qwest with adsl2+. once qwest annouced the vdsl2 product (and the fact that qwest is busy upgrading many of the dslams to fiber feed them now - a simple vdsl line upgrade is much easier at this point), i'd say that vdsl in phoenix is a very real threat. now, in terms of advertising with the 50meg plan, cox can still say they are faster. onlly true for downstream, but true nonetheless. its all a game of numbers and advertising....
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Cox has rolled out DOCSIS 3.0 in FiOS/LUSFiber areas first and foremost.
Though you're right about FiOS rolouts. It's a lot easier to swap a card in the CMTS to enable DOCSIS 3 than it is to dig GPON. |
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tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM
join:2008-01-16
Chandler, AZ | said by iansltx:Cox has rolled out DOCSIS 3.0 in FiOS/LUSFiber areas first and foremost. right. once those areas are taken care of, where is the next biggest threat?
vdsl2 markets from qwest - especially when you consider that arizona is cox's largest footprint. if qwest can actually rollout the product in a timely fashion, i'd say there is a good chance that cox could lose some subs.
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Could be. Though VDSL2's short loop lengths will mean that most people won't be able to get service above maybe 20 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up. |
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| 20/5 I'll take it. What are most people here pushing through.
I have 7/1 and think I'm ok I do stream my ROku through the community 1mb pipe.
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Cox competes with Embarq here...their "cutting edge" DSL option is 10Mbps/896Kbps for $45 a month. Cox's premium offer is 15/2Mbps and with PowerBoost, I routinely see downloads peak in the upper 20's and uploads as high as 5 or 6Mbps. And it costs me $10 more after you figure in the bundle discounts. No brainer.
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said by tubbynet:where is the next biggest threat? vdsl2 markets from qwest - especially when you consider that arizona is cox's largest footprint. As a multi-decade resident, Qwest seems to lack everything necessary to compete. Cox isn't perfect. But, at least they act like they're trying. Qwest stopped caring a long time ago. Any attempts to improve are superficial.
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tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM
join:2008-01-16
Chandler, AZ | said by amigo_boy:As a multi-decade resident, Qwest seems to lack everything necessary to compete. Cox isn't perfect. But, at least they act like they're trying. Qwest stopped caring a long time ago. Any attempts to improve are superficial. complacency was/is pretty common among the ilecs. the difference is in the markets they serve. verizon serves a lot of neighborhoods on the east coast, and it seems that the northeast is the hotbed of innovation when it comes to broadband. part of that is self-induced because of verizon's push for ftth, but regardless of the forces at work, its there.
att also serves some large markets, a lot served by competitors to verizon (i.e. comcast, tw, etc). these companies are deploying next-gen technology to compete with verizon and in an attempt to look like something is actually "changing", they deploy next-gen in areas not directly served by verizon. att realizes they need to update or get passed by.
now - qwest on the other hand, serves a lot of the rural west. they do have some larger markets (denver, phoenix, seattle, portland) but by and large they are rural and sometimes the only carrier in town (locales not large enough to have a decent mso in town). as such, they have not seen any force to upgrade their infrastructure, and that which they do upgrade is the anemic adsl2+ to select markets at a cost that is just absurd.
that being said, if qwest still wants to find itself relevant, it will need to upgrade its technology. vdsl2 would be a good start. they own the co, they own the fiber, they own the backhaul. its almost a no brainer for them to expand and offer something that cable can't (at least at this point), decent upload. they just don't want to put forth the cap-ex. at this point, they either do and actually become a relevant service again (i'd love 12/5 for a decent price) or they go by the wayside and bring 1.5mbps dsl to the cow fields.
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