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Re: Healthcare Reform--- the REAL agenda It will hurt his portfolio! God forbid! |
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kudos:4 | said by rawgerz:It will hurt his portfolio! God forbid! If you think that is true, you REALLY don't understand investing. My portfolio will be adjusted by me no matter what Healthcare plan becomes law. Some areas of business will suffer and others will make out better no matter which version is passed. My portfolio is affected more by the health of the overall global economy than it is by 1 industry or another.
And if the abortion of HR 3200 comes out unchanged from Congress, I can always pay cash for premium care if it messes up the health care system too badly. Unfortunately there are a LOT of seniors that won't be able to say the same.
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| said by Romney2012:if the abortion of HR 3200 comes out unchanged from Congress, I can always pay cash for premium care if it messes up the health care system too badly. Unfortunately there are a LOT of seniors that won't be able to say the same. There are millions of average Americans who pay a premium for healthcare today (due to our artificial quality standards compared to the rest of the world). And, millions who can't even do that (and are prohibited by law from purchasing the level of healthcare available to others around the world).
If the scenario you described is undesirable, why should we live with today's?
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I don't remember hearing that medicare is being disbanded. And being as Republican as you are, you must be completely against medicare as it is purely socialism.
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Camden, TN | said by rawgerz:I don't remember hearing that medicare is being disbanded. And being as Republican as you are, you must be completely against medicare as it is purely socialism. Yep so it social security and unemployment. Yet if he lost his job he'd file for unemployment and foodstamps. When he gets old enough for SS he'll cash that check. And when he's old enough for medicare he'll use it. There's word for people that say one thing then do the opposite.
See someone that truly believes that ther should be any of this so called socialism stuff would not apply for unemploment or fod stamps would return or burn that SS check and not use medicare.
What I find really ironic is that all these aniti-government healthcare people in the Congress get their health care from the Governemnt. WHY? Why don't these people have private plans if government run health care is so god awlful. See people really need to THINK about these things. |
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said by amigo_boy: millions who can't even do that (and are prohibited by law from purchasing the level of healthcare available to others around the world). Mark That's a lie.
Funny, when people from other countries that have extreme health care issue, they always come here to AMERICA to be treated.
If these other countries have such a wonderful level of health care, let's start sending those people there.
It's a mute point because people all over the country are up in arms about this heath care plan (including Democrats)
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8
I will refrain from calling Barney Frank names...but he did not answer the question, he just spread his vileness on one of his constituents. These are the people who are RUINING this country.
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| said by mrkevin:Funny, when people from other countries that have extreme health care issue, they always come here to AMERICA to be treated. If these other countries have such a wonderful level of health care, let's start sending those people there. I agree that you can get "the best healthcare" here if you have the money to travel here and pay for it.
But, how can the bus boy at the local restaurant travel to another country for $5 office visits?
I've always said that the quality of our care depends on who you are. If you're mid- to upper-middle class (with good health insurance) you'll get the best healthcare in the world right here.
But, if you're not among that group, a different country's healthcare (with $5 office visits and less than state-of-the-art treatments would look better).
The fact that you're among the group who can afford $5 office visits has a lot to do with why you can't travel to those countries for those visits, right?
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said by BF69:said by rawgerz:I don't remember hearing that medicare is being disbanded. And being as Republican as you are, you must be completely against medicare as it is purely socialism. Yep so it social security and unemployment. Yet if he lost his job he'd file for unemployment and foodstamps. When he gets old enough for SS he'll cash that check. And when he's old enough for medicare he'll use it. There's word for people that say one thing then do the opposite. A friend of a friend is a virulent Republican. Talks in swaggering, dismissive tones. Reassuring himself of his profound rightness.
Well, he went all in during the real-estate bubble. Rental houses, an apartment complex. Living large.
Now he's filing bankruptcy and whining about how the Republicans changed bankruptcy laws 4-5 years ago and he's going to be stuck with some things.
It's all about who's ox is being gored. All the principled rhetoric is just a mask. Like using cosmetic to cover a blemish.
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said by amigo_boy:[I agree that you can get "the best healthcare" here if you have the money to travel here and pay for it. But, how can the bus boy at the local restaurant travel to another country for $5 office visits? The fact that you're among the group who can afford $5 office visits has a lot to do with why you can't travel to those countries for those visits, right? Mark Well here is just two stories I found real quick
Burned Iraqi Boy Comes To America
»www.liveleak.com/view?i=84c_1239378401&c=1
Edit-"As soon as I heard about it, I was just overjoyed to get involved, help him out," says Dr. Edward Lanigan, a plastic surgeon from MSU.
Lanigan says he and Sparrow Hospital are doing the surgeries for free.
A Polish 13-month-old comes to America for surgery
»www.kidsdoc.org/newsroom/inthene···sID=2106
These aren't millionaires, these are children for God sake...
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| said by mrkevin:These aren't millionaires, these are children for God sake... Did they travel here on their own dime? And purchase our healthcare on their own dime? Is this available to all Iraqis and Poles?
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Aurora, ME | said by amigo_boy:Did they travel here on their own dime? And purchase our healthcare on their own dime? No, us selfish, uncaring, bastard American's do this all the time for FREE!!!! read the F'ing stories
said by amigo_boy: Is this available to all Iraqis and Poles? Maybe if Obamacare goes through it will be. Then will that make you happy? To pay for World Healthcare.
Why can't that be the Battle cry? Every person in the world should have access to free medical care.
And let the Chinese pay for it.
Is this what you want next? Mobile execution vehicles?
»www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006···an_x.htm
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Censorship right here:
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Sorry Mark, I guess you will have to wait for a moderator to approve my response
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| said by mrkevin:I guess you will have to wait for a moderator to approve my response I don't understand the point you're making. In a previous post you said Americans should travel for $5 office visits available in other countries. That's ridiculous considering that the people who would benefit the most from such affordable healthcare are the least able to afford international travel (or to take time off from their hourly jobs).
Then you replied with some cases of foreign kids coming here to receive the best healthcare in the world (as charity).
I'm not understanding the point your making.
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Aurora, ME | said by amigo_boy: In a previous post you said Americans should travel for $5 office visits available in other countries. Then you replied with some cases of foreign kids coming here to receive the best healthcare in the world (as charity). I'm not understanding the point your making. Mark NO, I think you are mixing me up with someone else.
I never said
Americans should travel for $5 office visits available in other countries.
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| said by mrkevin:NO, I think you are mixing me up with someone else. I never said Americans should travel for $5 office visits available in other countries.
You said: "If these other countries have such a wonderful level of health care, let's start sending those people there."
For some people (who can't afford our "best healthcare system in the world"), affordable basic care in those other countries might be desirable if the alternative is no care here (or, ER care after a problem becomes critical, and the individual is prepared to go bankrupt).
Clearly, going to other countries for affordable care isn't an option for those who would benefit the most.
However, coming to the US for "the best healthcare in the world" is an option for those who can afford it.
But, I'm not sure how some charity cases affect either point. Just because some doctors perform charity care on foreign children doesn't prove the already proven point that we have the best healthcare in the world (if you can afford it).
Nor does it disprove that the lower-quality basic care available in their own countries would be beneficial to many Americans who can't afford our monopolistic medical system of higher quality.
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said by amigo_boy:said by mrkevin:These aren't millionaires, these are children for God sake... Did they travel here on their own dime? And purchase our healthcare on their own dime? Is this available to all Iraqis and Poles? That's charity work, and it' not even available to all Americans.
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said by amigo_boy:You said: "If these other countries have such a wonderful level of health care, let's start sending those people there." I wasn't talking about Americans...
said by amigo_boy:For some people (who can't afford our "best healthcare system in the world"), affordable basic care in those other countries might be desirable if the alternative is no care here (or, ER care after a problem becomes critical, and the individual is prepared to go bankrupt). Come on...you do not see people here getting turned away from heath care.
Maybe we should institute some Tort reform to control costs instead of letting Uncle Sam bull his way through our heath care system.
said by amigo_boy:However, coming to the US for "the best healthcare in the world" is an option for those who can afford it. It isn't going to be an option to anyone once the government takes over.
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| said by mrkevin:Come on...you do not see people here getting turned away from heath care. I believe what you're saying is that if an individual is sick enough they will be treated by the ER. Or, if they become poor enough they can receive welfare Medicaid.
Until those conditions occur, they're effectively "turned away from healthcare," right? They can't purchase what they can afford: lessor choices which have been banned during the process of creating our "best healthcare system in the world," which is effectively a monopoly providing higher quality than these people would be willing to buy, and which is regularly accepted as normal around the world.
For three examples, see the one-hour documentary: Critical Condition.
said by mrkevin:It [people coming to the US for healthcare they can't buy in their own countries] isn't going to be an option to anyone once the government takes over. Welcome to the club! Americans already have that problem today. As America's healthcare industry gained exclusive control of the market (with the help of legislation to criminalize competition) millions of Americans lost options which were useful to them too.
We're not talking about establishing a new principle of coercion. Just spreading around the coercion that exists today.
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Don't you just love it? I hope he doesn't use the post office! If any form of socialism is such a failure why didn't it miserably fail and become disbanded long ago?
Seems that being Republican these days means you're against anything you can't make money off of. Even now no one is asking the right questions, such as why does health care cost as much as it does, what are the profit margins, and go from there. Unfettered capitalism worked well for the banking industry, why not health care 
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2 edits | said by rawgerz:If any form of socialism is such a failure why didn't it miserably fail and become disbanded long ago? When public fluoridation of water was debated 50 years ago there were people screaming "Socialism!"
When the medical association was given greater control over the industry 80-100 years ago there were people screaming "Socialism!"
If universal health care passed today, in 30 years nobody would call it "socialism." It would just be accepted as a hallmark of civil society (like fluoridated water and the AMA having control of medical standards at the expense of competition).
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