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DonLibes
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how to pour gas without spilling?

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I feel like an idiot. I bought a gas "can" from Home Depot and it says it has a spill-proof spout but there are no instructions and everytime I use it, I spill gas all over my lawnmower. The spout has a tiny hole as well as a big hole but I don't know what to do with them.

I've tried:

- putting my finger over the little hole to stop the flow. Doesn't help - gas still comes out of the big hole.
- putting the end of the nozzle below the level of the gas in the fuel tank. Gas still comes out. (I guess the seal around the cap isn't very good?)
- pouring slowly. This works but is difficult and, well, slow.

I also googled for "how to pour gas without spilling" and various other things and get lots of diatribes not to spill gas and how it's bad for the environment but no actual explanation how to accomplish it.

One side note: About 6 years ago, the county in which I live gave all residents free gas containers which had a neat device that would only release the fuel if you were physically resting the can upside down on the fuel opening, and it would automatically stop the flow once the fuel reached the right level. But after just a few years, the clever mechanism broke and starting leaking fuel. County now says "We don't distribute them anymore - you're on your own." And Home Depot doesn't offer anything but that thing in the picture above.

Advice on how to pour or a new spout or can to buy?

threetrolls

join:2003-04-19
Bellevue, WA

It looks like the spout has an accordion type of middle. Can you stretch it out to get the end into the tank before you tip the gas can to start pouring? If that works, you can control the rate of flow by raising or lowering the gas can. I think the little spout is to let air back into the gas can so it pours smoothly and you don't get the glug glug glug type of behavior increasing spillage.


DonLibes
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The spout is flexible enough to bend but not to stretch.


older dog
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reply to DonLibes

Assuming it is similar to the one I have. The little tube is the air vent, you want it on top.

Edit To add those new containers seem to work best when less than 3/4 full.



nunya
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reply to DonLibes

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Here's a new-fangled implement that might help:


neonhomer
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Edgewater, FL
reply to DonLibes

Depending on how much you fuel small equipment, they make hand pumped gas dispensers, complete with nozzle. Put nozzle in tank, turn crank. Out comes gas.

They are a bit pricey... if you're looking for a low-tech solution, go with Nunya's idea...



Jon
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Lisle, IL

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reply to DonLibes


oldeguy
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Phoenixville, PA
reply to DonLibes

"Vent" your gasoline container first, then use a funnel as previously shown. It'll still spill, but not with a big "splash".


Louey

join:2002-12-09
Canada
reply to DonLibes

Or pick up a Flo & Go.

»www.flo-n-go.com/home/

Check the store locator for where you can buy it.


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reply to DonLibes

It's all skill.

Actually the trick is NOT to insert the nozzle of the gas can into the tank, so that you can still see inside the tank. Once you see the gas level get closer to the top of the tank, slow down.



davidg
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reply to DonLibes

that is one of the new EPA mandated designs. it is supposed to cut down on wasteful spills, but seems to cause them more than not. go to a hardware store and get an old style nozzle if you don't want to use a funnel.

i believe that the small hole should be on top to allow air to vent in. with it on the bottom gas will come out it first and spill. yes, i know it will then be curved funny, but try it.
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Jim Gurd
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Plymouth, MI
reply to DonLibes

I have that exact same can. The small hole faces up, not down.



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reply to DonLibes

said by DonLibes:

a neat device that would only release the fuel if you were physically resting the can upside down on the fuel opening, and it would automatically stop the flow once the fuel reached the right level.
The containers you're describing are available at Ace Hardware stores. I have one for my two-cycle mix for my trimmer, leaf blower, and sno-blower. They're a little slow but work very well. Actually has a little "hook" that engages the rim of the fill neck to allow fuel to pour.

Lacking that... I second the use of a funnel. I use one all the time to fill my lawn mower.
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gascan234

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reply to DonLibes

I have the exact same can! it's the WORST spout system ever!

The clicking safety lock didn't work well, so i took that off. And like you i cannot FILL it without making a mess (Even when almost empty).

The old style with the vent on the back, spout on the front was much better, and never had issues then.

Glad i'm not the only one, but from the first time i used it, it is awful.



i1me2ao
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reply to DonLibes

i took drill and removed parts from inside. then took hacksaw and removed rest. then i drilled hole opposite end of can to allow vent. now i spill a lot less. basically i went back to the ORIGINAL DAM DESIGN..
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seaquake
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reply to DonLibes

I've got one from Walmart (5 gallon) that has an engage/disengage system to it. There is a lip to the spout, maybe 2 or 3 inches from the end of the nozzle. You put the lip on the edge of the gas tank with the nozzle inside(obviously). Put some downward pressure on the nozzle and the lip slides backward releasing fuel.

It's a nice design but only if you have sturdy gas tanks. Personally, I like the old style with the vent at the back side and you control the flow yourself. I grew up putting gas into home equipment so having an idiot proof device is a bit of an insult to me


JesusInside

join:2009-08-24
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reply to Jon

That is pretty cool


srr2

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reply to Jon

said by Jon:

[presented a picture of a pump-up gas container]

A question for you Jon -- does that pump pressurize that plastic container? Reason I ask is that my father had something very similar to that years ago. One day, he pumped it up and the container split at the seam, spraying gas under pressure everywhere. Fortunately for him, he was outside, away from anything hot, and he (for a change) wasn't smoking.

The seams were only ultrasonically welded in soft polyethylene and were completely unsuited for bearing any kind of pressure. If this is one like that, and it appears that it is, I highly recommend that you drain the contents into an approved container. Then let this disaster-waiting-to-happen dry off and place it where it belongs, in the next trash collection.


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reply to DonLibes

They don't sell "normal" ones anymore? I've never spilled any with my plain old gas can, no "anti-spill" baloney about it. Just a simple, angled spout.
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dipweed23

join:2009-07-21
Ypsilanti, MI
reply to srr2

I agree, the cheap plastic containers are not ones you want to be putting any pressure in. They hold gas well, but are not designed to do anything but that...

The newer "gas pump" style gas cans have a syphon pump at the handle like this.
»www.mgexperience.net/article/tri···n-go.jpg
Some don't have the pump exposed and are of better quality.
My Dad has one that he connects to his 10 gal gas can for filling his yard equipment. It works well.

I guess the newer ones like pictured above do not put pressure in the tank and are just a syphon pump. You can see in this picture that the vent is open on this can.
»www.sportys.com/shoptool/images/10069m.jpg


JesusInside

join:2009-08-24
Albany, NY

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said by srr2:

said by Jon:

[presented a picture of a pump-up gas container]

A question for you Jon -- does that pump pressurize that plastic container? Reason I ask is that my father had something very similar to that years ago. One day, he pumped it up and the container split at the seam, spraying gas under pressure everywhere. Fortunately for him, he was outside, away from anything hot, and he (for a change) wasn't smoking.

The seams were only ultrasonically welded in soft polyethylene and were completely unsuited for bearing any kind of pressure. If this is one like that, and it appears that it is, I highly recommend that you drain the contents into an approved container. Then let this disaster-waiting-to-happen dry off and place it where it belongs, in the next trash collection.
As you may not know it takes an ideal fuel to air mixture for gas to ignite.
So him smoking would probably not have caused ignition


mattmag
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said by JesusInside:

As you may not know it takes an ideal fuel to air mixture for gas to ignite.
So him smoking would probably not have caused ignition
Actually, that isn't correct. While it does require an "ideal" air/fuel mixture to provide proper *combustion* under compression in an engine, gasoline vapors are very easily ignitable in open-air, and a cigarette works just fine for that part.

It is never a good idea to have any type of flame or burning items close to a person who is handling gasoline, or anyplace where vapors may collect. There are plenty of instances where that combination has had devastating effects...

EDIT--Oh, and welcome to the forum!!

JesusInside

join:2009-08-24
Albany, NY

said by mattmag:

said by JesusInside:

As you may not know it takes an ideal fuel to air mixture for gas to ignite.
So him smoking would probably not have caused ignition
Actually, that isn't correct. While it does require an "ideal" air/fuel mixture to provide proper *combustion* under compression in an engine, gasoline vapors are very easily ignitable in open-air, and a cigarette works just fine for that part.

It is never a good idea to have any type of flame or burning items close to a person who is handling gasoline, or anyplace where vapors may collect. There are plenty of instances where that combination has had devastating effects...

EDIT--Oh, and welcome to the forum!!
On mythbusters they proved otherwise. If I can find the episode I'll post it. Thanks


mattmag
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No need to post anything, thanks just the same.

I stand by my post, as it simply doesn't make sense to tempt fate, no matter what a TV entertainment show says... I spent 25+ years as an EMT/Paramedic, and I am still a police officer, and can tell you first hand that it has and will continue to happen, even if Adam and Jamie disagree.


dew456

join:2003-08-13
Dallas, TX
reply to seaquake

said by seaquake:

I've got one from Walmart (5 gallon) that has an engage/disengage system to it. There is a lip to the spout, maybe 2 or 3 inches from the end of the nozzle. You put the lip on the edge of the gas tank with the nozzle inside(obviously). Put some downward pressure on the nozzle and the lip slides backward releasing fuel.

It's a nice design but only if you have sturdy gas tanks. Personally, I like the old style with the vent at the back side and you control the flow yourself. I grew up putting gas into home equipment so having an idiot proof device is a bit of an insult to me
I've got the same can and it is a piece of junk. You can't see in the gas tank to tell when it is gettign full and it still spills everywhere. Last year my father-in-law got bored while visiting so he decided to mow our yard. He came in and wanted to know where I got that piece of junk gas can. I said sorry, that is all I can find anymore. Now I just take the nozzel off and pour it in the old fashioned way. Spills a lot less gas.

JesusInside

join:2009-08-24
Albany, NY
reply to mattmag

said by mattmag:

No need to post anything, thanks just the same.

I stand by my post, as it simply doesn't make sense to tempt fate, no matter what a TV entertainment show says... I spent 25+ years as an EMT/Paramedic, and I am still a police officer, and can tell you first hand that it has and will continue to happen, even if Adam and Jamie disagree.
No dude I'm not disagreeing with ya. It is stupid to start pouring gas around an open flame. Just as would be golfing during a thunder storm, lol.


Doctor Olds
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reply to JesusInside

said by JesusInside:

said by mattmag:

said by JesusInside:

As you may not know it takes an ideal fuel to air mixture for gas to ignite.
So him smoking would probably not have caused ignition
Actually, that isn't correct. While it does require an "ideal" air/fuel mixture to provide proper *combustion* under compression in an engine, gasoline vapors are very easily ignitable in open-air, and a cigarette works just fine for that part.

It is never a good idea to have any type of flame or burning items close to a person who is handling gasoline, or anyplace where vapors may collect. There are plenty of instances where that combination has had devastating effects...

EDIT--Oh, and welcome to the forum!!
On mythbusters they proved otherwise. If I can find the episode I'll post it. Thanks
You were not paying close enough attention.

MythBusters Special 7: Hollywood on Trial
»mythbustersresults.com/special7

quote:
It is possible to ignite a pool of gasoline using only a cigarette.

partly plausible

A cigarette has the potential to light a pool of gasoline but just doesn’t have enough sustained heat. Gas ignites between 500 °F and 540 °F, the cigarette at its hottest was between 450 °F and 500 °F but only when it was actually being smoked. An ignition is very improbable.

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hurfy
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reply to DonLibes

lol, another device made to spill gas if i ever try it with my old Opel

With the tank opening on the side of the car these new anti-spill and anti-fume gadgets spill gas everywhere as none are designed to work on a truely vertical opening. The new anti-fume nozzles on gas are even worse. Going to have retire it someday just because i won't be able to put more gas in it than on it soon

Gotta say from the looks of it i would vote for old-school can also. I don't see how you get that small vent/spout on top if you are filling a lawnmower. Seems awkward at best.


JesusInside

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reply to Doctor Olds

Thanks Doc I love your avatar... Where did you come up with it!



wilbilt
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reply to DonLibes

Sorry to hear you are all becoming victims of the "CARB" (California Air Resources Board) gas cans. Actually, they are not classified as "gas cans", but as "Portable Fuel Containers" (PFCs).

We had them here first, as we seem to be the guinea pigs for all things environmental.

The vented spout as pictured is not ideal, but greatly preferable IMHO to the spring-loaded shutoff spouts. The shutoff spouts were designed to reduce the emission of fumes while fueling power equipment. The reality is that they release fuel slowly due to poor venting, cause glug-glug-glug splashes and spills, and tend to stick open.

An old-school vented can does the job quickly and more efficiently, and seems to be more environmentally-friendly due to less time being open and fewer spills. Since I am not an engineer, my practical experience is obviously worth nothing.

As a non-environmentally challenged Californian, please accept my sincerest apologies for you all now having to deal with this sh*t.
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