Topic 'ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr' in forum 'World of Warcraft' - dslreports.com

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:31:03 EDT

quatra posted : That trinket dropped for us too - pretty OP. I agree the fight was too easy - we 2 shot it and half the raid didn't know what they were doing. We almost one-shot it w/me the dps warrior tanking the light boss for almost 50% of the fight. The healers said they were bored (except when I was tanking I would imagine). I can't wait to see the heroic versions of these fights.

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:34:24 EDT

Goggalor posted :

said by NOCMan:

I'm actually surprised at how easy these fights are turning out to be in 25 man. 10 man we've had the worst luck with the mix in faction champions. I think it's perfect for 25 man, but 10 man's should have at least 1 less char or they need to fix the mix, cause each time we get 3 healers and a bunch of cc and cleansers.

Pretty much going to be a race tuesday to get realm first Anub I think.

Yeah, the randomness in 10m sucks ass. Everyone generally follows the pattern of kill the healers first and then killing everyone else, but for whatever reason last night, the Retadin was just crushing our healers (I don't think they were moving, honestly). So, we instead changed from killing the druid first to killing the Retadin (we also dropped our DK tank as he had to go and brought in a mage to spellsteal) and kicked the crap out of them.

As for the Twins, that fight is now my favorite... BECAUSE I GOT MY DEATH'S CHOICE! God, that trinket is so sexxah, especially when it procs with my DM:G. Sorry, not trying to brag, but I'm still so bubbly after getting it. And, yes, I did just use bubbly. :p

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:04:13 EDT

Ash3r posted : My new guild did this last night, 2 Shot.. pretty easy fight over all.. all though I was lost the first time I seen it. 2nd time it made much more sence!! No Hunter drops though :(

Also got the server first achievement: upper back pain!

I was one of those lucky guys to have one on me the whole fight lol

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:16:04 EDT

xcal784 posted :

Sounds like you just have bad luck. We've never had 3 healers in 10 man just 2 each time. Yesterday in 10 man we had the priest and the pally. We also didn't have the warlock but the boomkin was annoying with cyclone.

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:02:39 EDT

NOCMan posted : I'm actually surprised at how easy these fights are turning out to be in 25 man. 10 man we've had the worst luck with the mix in faction champions. I think it's perfect for 25 man, but 10 man's should have at least 1 less char or they need to fix the mix, cause each time we get 3 healers and a bunch of cc and cleansers.

Pretty much going to be a race tuesday to get realm first Anub I think.
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Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:44:53 EDT

xcal784 posted : I ran ToC10 last night and it was still stupid easy. We even had a healer D/C while fighting the twins and the other tank died so I ended up tanking both twins for the last 2 million health. I hope the heroics are harder for some kind of a challenge.

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:47:01 EDT

Kearnstd posted : wow they buffed this, i figured it just seemed easy because it came after that totally ass MGT style fight.
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Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:01:14 EDT

Tehuno posted : meh vortex damage isnt an issue as long as you switch your buff. i had never heard of the 2 surge abilities.

it sure seemed like something wasnt right with that fight, there was so much downtime between any abilities happening.

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:53:14 EDT

SauceMaster posted : Looks like they Buffed this fight.

»blue.mmo-champion.com/12/1937879···xes.html

quote:
The following bug fixes to Val'kyr Twins were just deployed, and they will increase the overall difficulty of the encounter.

- Surge of Light and Surge of Darkness were not being cast properly on Normal difficulties.
- Light Vortex was doing less damage than Dark Vortex.

Along with those two major bug fixes, we also increased the rate with which the Concentrated Light and Concentrated Darkness spawns.

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:07:27 EDT

anon posted : I downed these two last night on 10 man. My first time seeing it, and it was surprisingly easy. If you get your stack to 100 with the appropriately colored balls, you get a nasty dps boost. Just make sure to not let the boss get that buff, like the strat said.

Fun fight, don't be surprised if it gets buffed in difficulty before too long. I got a sweet pair of 232 lvl cloth gloves from them!

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:06:03 EDT

kywirelessgu posted : I ended up solo tanking 10 man after the OT dc'ed. Kinda weak. I don't expect 25 man to go as easily with the retards we usually are forced to bring, but we did get champions down on two attempts so we'll probably get it eventually.
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Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:53:51 EDT

Tehuno posted : 1 shot it on all 4 10 mans, and both our 25 mans.
i severely overestimated this encounter. it could have been a tough fight if they sped up the frequency of vortexes, as is, you have all day in between them.

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:19:23 EDT

Dunm posted : Speculation time.... I have a feeling that the heroic version will place a MUCH bigger emphasis on grabbing the orbs and making sure the bosses do not get orbs. We pretty much ignored them during our fight unless they were right next to us, but I can see them making the buff almost mandatory in the heroic version.

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:55:17 EDT

xcal784 posted : I got hosed last night on our ToC25 run as I was asked to play my offspec boomkin for the entire thing. Lucky for me my boomkin is still full 25man geared and can pull 4-4.5k dps without much trouble. Sadly my offspec boomkin dusted the main spec boomkin last night in our guild.

A bit more info on the fight:

Break the raid into 2 teams with equal melee, ranged, & healers on each side and naturally 1 tank per side. Call the one team the 'Light' and the other the 'Dark'. The 'light' team will start at 2 and grab the dark aura while the 'dark' team will start at 1 and grab the light aura. When you start the fight the 'light' team's tank will run up to the light X and tank it there while the 'dark' teams tank will run up and tank the dark boss at the dark X. Everyone else will group around the 3 or 4 portals. All ranged dps should be able to dps both bosses with this setup so you can switch aura's fast and kill the shield as needed.

When they do the aoe ability or shield you can stay your current aura or switch fast by setting it up this way. If your forced to switch aura's as soon as the aoe is over or the heal is stunned run and switch back aura's then get back into position. Grab the same color balls when you can and dodge the opposite color balls if you can. We had everyone switch when needed for the aoe and the shield but the tanks never switched they just stayed in place and tanked. We made sure the tanks were the primary target to heal for the aoe phases since they would be taking heavy damage because they didn't switch aura's.

The bosses have a shared health pool so reguardless of if you damage light or dark your killing the same bosses health pool. I'd recommend you macro the bosses names so you can switch faster to kill the shield and stun the heal. As long as you do that you win the fight as it stands.

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Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:46:18 EDT

Goggalor posted : God, I love this forum. Great info all around and extra kudos to xcal for posting this info here for those of us stuck behind different filters.

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:07:46 EDT

xcal784 posted :

said by Dunm:

Is their health linked together? We killed them last night in 10-man on the second try (first try you could tell some people were not listening when we explained the strat, lol, once everyone listened it was easy). We were thinking that maybe they had to die at the same time, but I noticed that their health was virtually identical the whole fight. I doubt we perfectly split our dps like that, so my first impression is that they are linked.

Yes their health is shared.

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:58:47 EDT

Dunm posted : Is their health linked together? We killed them last night in 10-man on the second try (first try you could tell some people were not listening when we explained the strat, lol, once everyone listened it was easy). We were thinking that maybe they had to die at the same time, but I noticed that their health was virtually identical the whole fight. I doubt we perfectly split our dps like that, so my first impression is that they are linked.

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:22:44 EDT

xcal784 posted : The twin fight was easy overall. The only hard part is grabbing the correct color and attacking the boss with the shield then stunning the heal. If you can do that part then it's cake.

I do love the loot from ToC25 tho!

LW Mail Pattern
Bear Necklace
Fight Pic

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:39:34 EDT

pwrtoppl posted : this boss was a joke hands down...i think decon hardmode is actually harder then the twins

we one shotted them, and the trinket didnt drop...oh well, got a nice sp ring tnite

kinda felt robbed after the entire thing...i think it could honestly be two healed on 25 man
fun encounter - no challenge

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:20:29 EDT

Ghastlyone posted : We did this fight tonight.

It's an absolute joke.

Going from the Champions to this just felt....under-tuned maybe?

I don't know, it just was not a difficult fight at all.

I can say though, the absolute baddest melee dps trinket dropped from them tonight for us, Oh my god it was a godly trinket.

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:45:38 EDT

anon posted : Going in tonight for the Twins, thank for indeed for this brief to the point post. The Faction Champions can be rather tedious as mentioned above due to the rather nicely tuned ai on that event. All in all though this Argent patch seems to be simply a rather easy way to hand out epics.

Thank god for Google as I never would of thought to look here. Odd I never really noticed these forums here and have been using dslreports to benchmark for years.

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:27:02 EDT

xcal784 posted : I'd have to say the Faction Champions will be the hardest of the entire raid based on abilities and PTR video's.

We get to unlock heroic next week!

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:17:36 EDT

Tehuno posted :

said by Omega:

I'm sure this fight will be just as easymode as the previous 3 fights in TOC.

WTB heroic difficulty!

i think it will be the toughest of the 5 tbh, it actually requires a little coordination it looks like.

and yes wtb heroic

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:58:29 EDT

Omega posted : I'm sure this fight will be just as easymode as the previous 3 fights in TOC.

WTB heroic difficulty!
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Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:56:11 EDT

slashr posted : Be sure that you do. I'm all a flutter.

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:52:22 EDT

xcal784 posted : I'll be running ToC25 tonight about 7pm EST. I'll post my experience soon as I beat them.

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:41:34 EDT

VinceAtLSU posted : Very cool, thanks for this. We'll be trying it Wednesday night.

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:33:24 EDT

crytz posted : Haha thats cool, I'll take anything at this point!

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:33:14 EDT

slashr posted : Sounds like a similar encounter from the sunwell.

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:29:30 EDT

xcal784 posted :

said by crytz:

Damn, nice write up!

I stole it from another forums I use but it was very nice so I wanted to share it. LOL

Re: ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:23:05 EDT

crytz posted : Damn, nice write up!

ToC 4th boss - Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr

Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:16:33 EDT

xcal784 posted : Preliminary Strategy for Twin Valkyr - 4th Boss of ToC
TLDR description at the very bottom.

This fight looks like fun. For a list of boss abilities, go to: »wowraid.com/?topic=476#0

General: There is a light boss (Fjola Lightbane) who casts light spells, and a dark boss (Edyis Darkbane) who casts shadow. There are 2 light portals and 2 dark portals, one at each corner of the room. Clicking on a light/dark portal will give you the corresponding aura. Since you get +100% dmg for dmging the boss of the opposite color, everyone should be in dark aura if assigned to Lightbane, and light aura if assigned to Darkbane.

BALLS: During the encounter, dark and light balls will be floating around. If you touch a ball of the same color as your aura, you gain 8 stacks of general buff and a speed boost. When general buff reaches 100 stacks, you get +100% dmg for 20s. Don't go too out of your way to grab these. If you touch an oppositely colored ball, it explodes, causing 5k dmg to anyone in 5 yards. (This is why healers should still be the same color as the people around them). Note that the bosses can absorb their similarly colored balls too, so don't let them get to 100 stacks or we wipe.

Surge of Light/Dark: Every minute, one of them starts channeling this ability. After 5s, it starts casting a pulsing AoE doing 5k dps to everyone in the raid who isn't of its same color. So...when you see "Darkbane starts channeling Surge of Dark," make sure you have the dark aura in the next 5s. Note that half of the raid should already be in dark aura, and if you switch, you'll be switching right back after the cast is over.

Shields: Every minute, one of them puts up a 250k HP shield, and starts channeling a 20% heal (Twin's Pact). You have 15s to take down the shield interrupt the cast AFTER the shield is down. Ranged dps should be switching here to help take it down.

VIDEOS
From an affliction lock POV:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUkXzu7rsOM
I really like the lock one because the view is very zoomed out, so you can see the path of the balls, and the general raid movement very well. Even if you're a healer, I'd watch some of this.

From a resto shaman POV:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=91gSuvZfHIg

TLDR
ALL: Start with the opposite color of the boss you are assigned. When light/darkbane starts channeling Light/Dark Vortex, make sure you have that same color in the next 5s. Feel free to switch back after the AoE stops. Collect balls that are your same color, avoid balls that aren't. You stay on 1 boss the whole time.

Dps: Dps the oppositely colored boss from what color you are now. If you are black, kill whitey, and vice versa. Range dps, when one of them shields, switch to it immediately, then switch back when the shield is down.
Heals: Melee take a 12k 8yd hit every once in awhile. Otherwise raid dmg is pretty light. Valkyrs seem to have activated 15s dmg increasing abilities.
Tanks: Tank your valkyr near its SIMILARLY colored portal. When they start the AoE channel, just pop into the same color portal immediately, and then start running to the other portal. Click the other-colored portal to return to normal tanking after the AoE dmg stops. They have some abilities that increase dmg temporarily, watch for them.