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Re: Time to buy... said by r81984:Tivo is going to go down for this crap. Tivo did not invent anything. They got patents for ideas that were already known. Tivo is one of the worst companies of all time. TiVo is bringing three patents to the table this time: 6,233,389 B1 ("Multimedia Time Warping System"), 7,529,465 B2 ("System for Time Shifting Multimedia Content Streams"), and 7,493,015 B1 ("Automatic Playback Overshoot Correction System").
The last one stands out since before TiVo I'm fairly certain no recording devices did "Automatic Playback Overshoot Correction" so they did invent that. TiVo actually invented a number of other things as well, despite your claim that they didn't even anything. TiVo has a strong case with their win against Echostar. Whether they have the capital to go up against AT&T and Verizon remains to be seen, but they do have a large influx of cash from the Echostar suit.
TiVo and Replay TV were the two first setup DVRs in the market, back before AT&T or Verizon even knew what a DVR was. That doesn't matter, but the fact that TiVo filed a number of patents at that time which were granted, does.
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| I read the patents. They are too broad. I would say VCRs, laser disc players, and computers were doing those things before Tivo.
Those patents are for broad ideas that they did not event. They did not patent anything specific. I just cannot see how they think they have a right to pretend they invented those 3 functions.
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Arlington, VA | There's no such thing as a patent on an idea. Patents are on the process / implementation (i.e. how to do it). In Tivo's case, the patents are on the hardware and software means to implement a DVR on low-cost hardware. Prior patents addressed other implementations where the cost of the hardware was not a concern; those patents were used to create $50,000 to $200,000 DVRs for military and industrial use. You can't build a $200 DVR with those patents using today's technology.
There's a good reason why virtually every manufacturer implemented the TiVo patent and not one of the few DVR patents that preceded it. Some obviously feel that TiVo patent is too broad, and that it is too difficult to work around. Of course, well-written patents are supposed to be difficult to work around, so that the inventor is compensated for their work for a period of 20 years. The patent system would be worthless if anyone could take a patent and then make an insignificant change to avoid infringement. |
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| said by KenAF:There's no such thing as a patent on an idea. Patents are on the process / implementation (i.e. how to do it). In Tivo's case, the patents are on the hardware and software means to implement a DVR on low-cost hardware. Prior patents addressed other implementations where the cost of the hardware was not a concern; those patents were used to create $50,000 to $200,000 DVRs for military and industrial use. You can't build a $200 DVR with those patents using today's technology. There's a good reason why virtually every manufacturer implemented the TiVo patent and not one of the few DVR patents that preceded it. Some obviously feel that TiVo patent is too broad, and that it is too difficult to work around. Of course, well-written patents are supposed to be difficult to work around, so that the inventor is compensated for their work for a period of 20 years. The patent system would be worthless if anyone could take a patent and then make an insignificant change to avoid infringement. If you read the patents they are specifically for an idea.
It is not for actual hardware or software.
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| said by r81984:If you read the patents they are specifically for an idea. It is not for actual hardware or software. Abstract Ideas aren't patentable, but the embodiment of a specific idea is.
So for example, "recording TV" can't be patented. A 61 step process on how to record TV is patentable.
BTW those 61 steps embody the TiVo hardware and software.
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