| Can we get off it please? Come on...I know this isn't going to be a popular view around here, but come on. At the end of the day, it's AT&T's network. Why in the hell would they allow a competitor to operate on its network and undercut their own service? Essentially, what everyone is wanting is to use the AT&T network without having to pay AT&T. If Vonage wants to get involved in the mobile phone game, they need to make a phone that operates completely off of Wi-Fi or build their own network.
Sorry but saying AT&T should let Vonage and other VOIP providers use their network is like saying UPS should ship Fed-Ex packages on their trucks and make sure they get there faster than UPS packages.
I realize AT&T is a big bad company that nobody likes, but lets criticize them where they deserve it: the quality of their network. Not nonissues like this. |
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 dellsweigExtreme AerobaticsPremium,MVM
join:2003-12-10
Campbell Hall, NY
kudos:1
 ·Vonage
| said by twill1989:Come on...I know this isn't going to be a popular view around here, but come on. At the end of the day, it's AT&T's network. Why in the hell would they allow a competitor to operate on its network and undercut their own service? Essentially, what everyone is wanting is to use the AT&T network without having to pay AT&T. If Vonage wants to get involved in the mobile phone game, they need to make a phone that operates completely off of Wi-Fi or build their own network. Sorry but saying AT&T should let Vonage and other VOIP providers use their network is like saying UPS should ship Fed-Ex packages on their trucks and make sure they get there faster than UPS packages. I realize AT&T is a big bad company that nobody likes, but lets criticize them where they deserve it: the quality of their network. Not nonissues like this. well - the model is already set - and this is why FCC is looking at this....
Cable Companies (and other terrestrial ISP's) already "let" VoIP calls on their networks - even though they offer competitive services (voip)
I expect the FCC to step in on this one |
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 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to twill1989
said by twill1989:Come on...I know this isn't going to be a popular view around here, but come on. At the end of the day, it's AT&T's network. Why in the hell would they allow a competitor to operate on its network and undercut their own service? Essentially, what everyone is wanting is to use the AT&T network without having to pay AT&T. If Vonage wants to get involved in the mobile phone game, they need to make a phone that operates completely off of Wi-Fi or build their own network. Sorry but saying AT&T should let Vonage and other VOIP providers use their network is like saying UPS should ship Fed-Ex packages on their trucks and make sure they get there faster than UPS packages. I realize AT&T is a big bad company that nobody likes, but lets criticize them where they deserve it: the quality of their network. Not nonissues like this. Data is data. If I pay for an Unlimited Data Plan with AT&T, why should they care that those packets are voice, video, or porn?
They shouldn't yet they do. No one is trying to get a service for free, but AT&T shouldn't be able to dictate what type of data you can send unless they can prove it degrades the network, which VoIP doesn't. |
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 UnKownThe Underground Network
join:2002-09-08
Orlando, FL | reply to twill1989
Were not saying they have to open their voice network up to competitors. We are simply stating that if a company wants to sell internet, they have to provide and service all types of internet applications. Att just does not want to compete. |
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dellsweigExtreme AerobaticsPremium,MVM
join:2003-12-10
Campbell Hall, NY
kudos:1 Reviews:
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1 edit | said by UnKown:Were not saying they have to open their voice network up to competitors. We are simply stating that if a company wants to sell internet, they have to provide and service all types of internet applications. Att just does not want to compete. And this is why FCC is looking at them for the Google Voice Iphone App they rejected... Expect the Vonage app to get treated with kid gloves cause FCC is watching (and FTC)
THIS IS GONNA REALLY BE FUN TO WATCH |
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jacourPremium
join:2001-12-11
Matthews, NC Reviews:
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Yes, it is AT&T's network, build at a time where the FCC automatically gave spectrum to the wireline phone companies and let one other competitor come into the market. Who paid to build out that high regulated infrastructure with guaranteed profits? Consumers.
Bottom line, this is like my electric company trying to charge one rate to power my television, and another to heat up my toaster. It is my bandwidth, I paid for it, now piss off. |
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said by dellsweig:said by twill1989:Come on...I know this isn't going to be a popular view around here, but come on. At the end of the day, it's AT&T's network. Why in the hell would they allow a competitor to operate on its network and undercut their own service? Essentially, what everyone is wanting is to use the AT&T network without having to pay AT&T. If Vonage wants to get involved in the mobile phone game, they need to make a phone that operates completely off of Wi-Fi or build their own network. Sorry but saying AT&T should let Vonage and other VOIP providers use their network is like saying UPS should ship Fed-Ex packages on their trucks and make sure they get there faster than UPS packages. I realize AT&T is a big bad company that nobody likes, but lets criticize them where they deserve it: the quality of their network. Not nonissues like this. well - the model is already set - and this is why FCC is looking at this.... Cable Companies (and other terrestrial ISP's) already "let" VoIP calls on their networks - even though they offer competitive services (voip) I expect the FCC to step in on this one This fight was fought 6 years ago by the legacy land line rbocs, and cable networks. So that argument is dead on arrival in in regards to it being AT&T's network regarding data. They are a pipe nothing more and cannot block it. In a year we will be paying per megabyte count on that.
Imagine in 10 years you will go online to buy data gigabytes to use for the internet this includes both home and mobile. |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:5
 ·Frontier FiOS
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said by twill1989:Essentially, what everyone is wanting is to use the AT&T network without having to pay AT&T. Uh, if they subscribe to AT&T Wireless to get data service, they are already paying for the service. AT&T is already getting a cut of the pie.
And if you are connected to a hotspot instead of a 3G tower, then you aren't using AT&T's network to begin with so they shouldn't have a say in what you are using.
Sorry but saying AT&T should let Vonage and other VOIP providers use their network is like saying UPS should ship Fed-Ex packages on their trucks UPS will happily ship a fed-ex package on their trucks as long as you have UPS label on them and have paid for the shipping via UPS. Similarly, people already are paying AT&T to use the data portion of their phones. AT&T is in essence saying that it doesn't like the looks of the package and refuses to ship it, even though a similar package (data packet) for a non-VoIP call is permitted.
and make sure they get there faster than UPS packages. I'm not sure where the "faster" argument comes into play. Give a choice between a true cellular call and a VoIP, I bet the cellular gets there quicker and potentially has better quality.
Not nonissues like this. It's only a non-issue to you. Obviously it's not a non-issue to everyone. |
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said by twill1989:Sorry but saying AT&T should let Vonage and other VOIP providers use their network is like saying UPS should ship Fed-Ex packages on their trucks and make sure they get there faster than UPS packages. You forgot Fed-Ex will not be requre to pay UPS for the privilege after all UPS is just a dumb trucking comapny. |
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ATT didn't reject google voice, they just "didn't approve it". :P
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and like i keep saying...The FCC won't do anything about it. |
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Yeah it's such a big issue. That's why ATT and Verzion control roughly 150 million subscribers...people are sooooo upset.
Do you expect the cablecos to start broadcasting youtube or hulu or some type of IPTV provider straight to your television via their HFC? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to TheHelpful1
And AT&T didn't "didn't just approve it", Apple did. Kind of ingenious on AT&T's part. They know they'd get their hand slapped if the outright block VoIP on their network, but if they prevent Apple from allowing the software on their handset, they get around the neutrality issue. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | reply to twill1989
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Free Market!!!! Free Market!!!!!!
So why can't I my own cell tower up at every street corner on the sidewalk on any band I want?
Then again, you can argue a corporate has "free speech" rights to censor everything it wants over its network. |
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12
1 edit | reply to Scatcatpdx
said by Scatcatpdx:said by twill1989:Sorry but saying AT&T should let Vonage and other VOIP providers use their network is like saying UPS should ship Fed-Ex packages on their trucks and make sure they get there faster than UPS packages. You forgot Fed-Ex will not be requre to pay UPS for the privilege after all UPS is just a dumb trucking comapny. Here's a proper analogy for you. I pay FedEx to ship a package, but put that FedEx box into a UPS box to deliver it to the FedEx dropoff location. I'm paying both, so I can guarantee you UPS doesn't care what's inside the box I'm paying them to ship.
Data is data, in small packages (packets) so AT&T shouldn't care WHAT that traffic is as long as it doesn't unreasonably burden their network. If they allow music streaming apps, then there should be no reason to not allow VoIP apps. |
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binded2
join:2009-08-11
Providence, RI | reply to openbox9
i smoked but didnt inheal |
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