| Users are getting more security conscious too It really seems to me that more and more computer users are adopting the stronger encryption systems than before. In my neighborhood, I "see" roughly 15 SSIDs and only 2 are unencrypted and 3 are protected by WEP. Maybe 3 or so are WPA protected but the vast majority are using WPA2-PSK. Perhaps we have the ISPs to thank for this who set WPA2 as a default method of protection on the routers they give to their customers. |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | said by KPMG1 :
It really seems to me that more and more computer users are adopting the stronger encryption systems than before. In my neighborhood, I "see" roughly 15 SSIDs and only 2 are unencrypted and 3 are protected by WEP. Maybe 3 or so are WPA protected but the vast majority are using WPA2-PSK. Perhaps we have the ISPs to thank for this who set WPA2 as a default method of protection on the routers they give to their customers.
IMO it is more so the vendors producing the hw. Even though they have tended to do a poor job of default settings in the past most of the cheap little routers I see default to WPA2 as they should. Vendors should be making the default settings as secure as possible and if the user monkeys with the settings and changes the defaults then it is their problem to deal with. Default settings are very critical to set a good example. |
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 TsumePremium
join:2004-02-23
Johnson City, TN
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said by KPMG1 :
It really seems to me that more and more computer users are adopting the stronger encryption systems than before. In my neighborhood, I "see" roughly 15 SSIDs and only 2 are unencrypted and 3 are protected by WEP. Maybe 3 or so are WPA protected but the vast majority are using WPA2-PSK. Perhaps we have the ISPs to thank for this who set WPA2 as a default method of protection on the routers they give to their customers.
AT&T still does WEP default on their 2wire DSL gateway, and the UVERSE 2wire gateway uses WPA1.
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said by KPMG1 :
It really seems to me that more and more computer users are adopting the stronger encryption systems than before. In my neighborhood, I "see" roughly 15 SSIDs and only 2 are unencrypted and 3 are protected by WEP. Maybe 3 or so are WPA protected but the vast majority are using WPA2-PSK. Perhaps we have the ISPs to thank for this who set WPA2 as a default method of protection on the routers they give to their customers.
I don't see the same thing. From my back deck, I pick up half a dozen APs. 1 is protected by WEP and the other 5 are not protected at all. Pretty pathetic. I use WPA2/AES for my wireless connections.
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bemis
join:2008-07-18
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said by KPMG1 :
Perhaps we have the ISPs to thank for this who set WPA2 as a default method of protection on the routers they give to their customers.
I can confirm that as of earlier this year VZ was still using WEP w/ FIOS.
...so they at least keep out the Joe Sixpack's trying to scam a little free wifi, but anyone who is even remotely serious about getting in, will get in. |
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| Our office just had Verizon fios installed in March and I was amazed that the business class supplied router uses WEP
Pathetic. |
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 Smith6612Premium,MVM
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North Tonawanda, NY
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My neighborhood on a single sweep for access points on my laptop is giving me around 15 access points minus my own. Most of them are using WPA-TKIP however there is still a few unsecured and WEP encrypted networks I'm picking up. Only one network is running WPA TKIP + AES from what I can pick up. My router supports WPA2 however I have devices that don't support that encryption. Certainly once I get another access point for my home, I'll move over to WPA2 and leave WPA AES enabled for my older devices.
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said by Tsume:said by KPMG1 :
It really seems to me that more and more computer users are adopting the stronger encryption systems than before. In my neighborhood, I "see" roughly 15 SSIDs and only 2 are unencrypted and 3 are protected by WEP. Maybe 3 or so are WPA protected but the vast majority are using WPA2-PSK. Perhaps we have the ISPs to thank for this who set WPA2 as a default method of protection on the routers they give to their customers.
AT&T still does WEP default on their 2wire DSL gateway, and the UVERSE 2wire gateway uses WPA1. So does Verizon from what I've seen. |
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said by brad:said by KPMG1 :
It really seems to me that more and more computer users are adopting the stronger encryption systems than before. In my neighborhood, I "see" roughly 15 SSIDs and only 2 are unencrypted and 3 are protected by WEP. Maybe 3 or so are WPA protected but the vast majority are using WPA2-PSK. Perhaps we have the ISPs to thank for this who set WPA2 as a default method of protection on the routers they give to their customers.
IMO it is more so the vendors producing the hw. Even though they have tended to do a poor job of default settings in the past most of the cheap little routers I see default to WPA2 as they should. Vendors should be making the default settings as secure as possible and if the user monkeys with the settings and changes the defaults then it is their problem to deal with. Default settings are very critical to set a good example. When you develop a product it's not about making it secure, but making it as interoperable with the customer's equipment as possible. Less complaints, less calls, less headaches overall. You may not agree with it, but that's usually how it works. Would you rather have a customer a day call in to complain that they can't connect to the AP, or just to make it work for them and have your tech support do something that's worth their time. It is just a numbers game in the end. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to Tsume
Regular WPA is fine and actually a LOT more compatible than WPA2. As long as WPA uses AES it's secure...as secure as passwords are anyway. |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | reply to k1ll3rdr4g0n
That is the reason why consumer level products in general suck. Because vendors don't give a crap about their customers and just sell garbage. |
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| said by brad:That is the reason why consumer level products in general suck. Because vendors don't give a crap about their customers and just sell garbage. I disagree, the products work as advertised...but if you want to do something advanced like lets just say for example add a firewall rule to block an IP...the $20 model can't but the $150 model can. I personally only buy Linksys WRT54GL (~$50) and put DD-WRT on it. There is another member on here touting that he running a whole box for his router/firewall (I just have to wonder what his electric bill is!). |
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JimFPremium
join:2003-06-15
Allentown, PA | reply to fAcEtIOUs
From my back porch, 3 of my neighbors are using WPA, and 2 are using WEP. I am the only one using WPA2. But none are unencrypted, which is the first time I have seen that. But I really don't think any of my neighbors have the slightest interest in man-in-the middle attacks or using aircrack, so the whole thing is academic. In fact, even if you left an access point open, they would use their own anyway. |
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