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| tkip has already been cracked tkip has already been cracked. This is not news. Other then the fact that these computer scientists are just lazy and basically claiming credit for something they didnt do.
You can compile aircrack right now and crack tkip. Unless ofcoarse the latest code is broken or something? It has been for awhile. Not sure about right now. 
Wpa tkip and aes can be dictionary attacked and rainbow attacked; more or less the same thing.
AES only + strong password. | |
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·Cybersurf Intern..
| Re: tkip has already been cracked hmm typed while i was i guess.
The reality is... the first tkip method is only slow like 15 mins because mainly you insert the commands slowly yourself and they werent crushing it with cuda?
Surely these japenese cs couldnt crack it in 1 min with just a pentium 1 laptop or something similar. All based on power.
Toss cuda on the beast... and POW done in 1 min using the original method.
Why do these guys get any press? Because they found someone to run it? News places are plentiful. | |
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1 edit | Re: tkip has already been cracked Because they are japanese, and obviously Japan has robots like in transformers... At least according to Anime freaks.
Japan uses technology Americans made... Perhaps making alot of them better, but still American technology. Seems the norm now to credit Japan though. | |
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·Cingular Wireless
| Re: tkip has already been cracked America uses technology made by many other countries as well ya know. Also, a lot of America's talent is derived from immigrants, who were themselves born in other countries..... It all goes around. Besides, the only thing the Japanese are being credited with here is that they found a faster way to do it.
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1 edit | Re: tkip has already been cracked Yes well, People give Japan WAY too much credit for innovation THEY DO NOT DESERVE.
America (19th, 20th, 21st century), and europe (same and all before) are the ones truely responsible for the technology era.
If Japan never existed, some things would be not as good, but we would still have technology. If America and/or Europe never existed, we would be in the stone age. | |
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| Re: tkip has already been cracked Well, much of the innovation that came from Europe came after explorers visited countries such as Japan and China, and realized just how far behind the times Middle Ages Europe was. I mean, the Chinese junks of the 15th century were a VERY impressive sight at the time. The Chinese came up with Gunpowder as well. The Japanese across the sea were also rather advanced at the time, and both civilizations were MUCH less barbaric in their habits than the Europeans. It was the resulting trade and connections that actually lifted Europe out of its period of darkness, and that is actually what ultimately resulted in the CREATION of the Americas as we know it today. So really, had explorers from Europe never encountered the Japanese/Chinese/Indians/Arabs, the world as we know it may very well not have existed.
Best,
a333
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| Re: tkip has already been cracked Sorry but no. Gunpowder was the big improvement from China, but most things were made by Europe.
Things like industry, the internal combustion engine, electronics, the microchip, were all American and Europe made products.
And China used gunpowder for parades, not anything related to higher technology. | |
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| Re: tkip has already been cracked Europe was in the midst of the Middle Ages during the 1300's. Had it not been for the Crusades, and the consequent contact with far more advanced civilizations (at the time) in the Far East, few, if any Europeans would've ventured beyond their manors. This is a well-established fact in history, that any basic high school history class will teach you. I am not disputing that Americans invented the microchip, or that the British came up with the Otto cycle behind the ICE. I am merely pointing out that a LOT of this innovation, and America itself, arose from the contact between Europeans and the people of the Orient.
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3 edits | Re: tkip has already been cracked said by a333:Europe was in the midst of the Middle Ages during the 1300's. Had it not been for the Crusades, and the consequent contact with far more advanced civilizations (at the time) in the Far East, few, if any Europeans would've ventured beyond their manors. This is a well-established fact in history, that any basic high school history class will teach you. I am not disputing that Americans invented the microchip, or that the British came up with the Otto cycle behind the ICE. I am merely pointing out that a LOT of this innovation, and America itself, arose from the contact between Europeans and the people of the Orient. a333 You obviously failed school then.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_technology
The roman empire was bar none at technology at the time. Some things the Romans did were unmatched until the 19th century.
Hur dur, or maybe you want to say that he orient had 20th or 21st century tech at the time?
Go back to school. It's painful that a anime lover is so ignorant to not recognize the guys who made flamethrowers, aquaducts, lighthouses, roads, cranes, bridges, treadmills, etc.
And one last thing: You are a COMPLETE idiot if you think europeans never left their manors before then. There are plenty of records of voyages, and such things as vikings in greenland, way before AD.
You are either a fanboy or a delusional fool if you think any other country was more powerful or more advanced then the European ones. | |
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1 edit | Re: tkip has already been cracked Anime? Meh.... I got tired of that stuff a long time ago, buddy.
said by Metatron2008:said by a333:Europe was in the midst of the Middle Ages during the 1300's. Had it not been for the Crusades, and the consequent contact with far more advanced civilizations (at the time) in the Far East, few, if any Europeans would've ventured beyond their manors. This is a well-established fact in history, that any basic high school history class will teach you. I am not disputing that Americans invented the microchip, or that the British came up with the Otto cycle behind the ICE. I am merely pointing out that a LOT of this innovation, and America itself, arose from the contact between Europeans and the people of the Orient. a333 You obviously failed school then. » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_technology Fail history? Me? My history average last term was a 97..... that's passing over here in NYC....
And congrats, you just showed you know how to look up stuff on wikipedia. I hate to break it to you, but that does not confirm the possibility that YOU might be the one that failed history here.....
Yes, I know about the Romans. I have studied their architecture, and I never debated the fact that they built some cool s**t. However, keep in mind that the Chinese were well-accustomed to wall-building techniques during much the same time period. The Egyptians were building 40-story pyramids, huge fleets of ships, and entire irrigation systems in the middle of a desert, WAY before any European civilization. In South and Central America, the Maya, Inca, and Aztec civilizations had similar achievements. So, did the Romans do awesome stuff? Hell yes, but to say that NO ONE else was doing jacks**t during the same time or before them, is purely narrow-minded and only reflects YOUR lack of knowledge and willful ignorance to hard facts.
And to point out the Vikings as a hallmark of European exploration before the 1500's is just stupid. Erik tried to settle in Greenland.... but in case memory fails you, it didn't go too well. After the fall of Rome, the only thing Vikings were known for was terrorizing half of Europe, and in the end, causing Europeans to adopt the very feudal system that stifled pretty much all exploration and innovation until the start of the Crusades. (Part of the blame can also go to other barbaric tribes, but my point remains, that after the Romans and before the Crusades, the Europeans has little to NO contact with the outside world... few if any ventured beyond their manors.)
Peace,
a333
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| Re: tkip has already been cracked I was refering to the time of the Roman Empire thank you very much. At that time Europe could not be touched.
And its funny how you skirted around the issue of the romans. Also funny how you never mentioned the romans and only mentioned the late middle ages.
The point is, if Europe had people with the potential to do things, they would've eventually done it, and all the other civilizations did was ignite a spark. So I'm sorry, but you can't congratulate the orient for what europeans had been capable of, and had done many years ago. | |
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| Re: tkip has already been cracked said by Metatron2008:I was refering to the time of the Roman Empire thank you very much. At that time Europe could not be touched. And its funny how you skirted around the issue of the romans. Also funny how you never mentioned the romans and only mentioned the late middle ages. Skirted around the Romans? I am sorry if I gave that impression..... in fact, I addressed that very point by stating very clearly that others were doing fairly similar things at a similar point on the timeline. Also, I am not attempting to discredit Roman/European achievements in any way... just pointing out they weren't the only ones. A little reading comprehension would help you out here....
said by Metatron2008:The point is, if Europe had people with the potential to do things, they would've eventually done it, and all the other civilizations did was ignite a spark. So I'm sorry, but you can't congratulate the orient for what europeans had been capable of, and had done many years ago. Of course... in fact, Europeans AND many other people around the WORLD both had potential, and DID a s**tload of things. That's all I'm pointing out.
As to congratulating.... again, reading comprehension 101 for ya: I not only "congratulated" the Orient, but Egypt and early civilizations in the Americas. Not picking favorites here.... just being fair.
But by all means, if your version of pseudo-history helps you sleep at night, be my guest.... just don't resort to personal jabs and insults when the facts don't suit you.
-a333
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2 edits | Re: tkip has already been cracked Well, alright, but when you say 'had explorers from Europe never encountered the Japanese/Chinese/Indians/Arabs', that's a pretty loaded term. Had Rome never fallen europe would be alot different. Same with the aztecs, incas, and what about the spanish destruction of the Mayans?
Saying things like that would be like me saying 'Had I done something different yesterday today would be different'. And how do I know this? I'm only guessing in retrospect.
Which is really all that your point goes down too, a guess in retrospect. You really don't know if it was them going to other countries or themselves that changed.
BTW, this conversation reminds me of the arguments of assassinating Hitler before he took up power... A guess in retrospect that could lead to several different paths... Either the nazis not gaining power, a more competant leader taking over the world, or anything else.... | |
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Rego Park, NY | Re: tkip has already been cracked Not making retrospect guesses here... just giving credit to all who deserve it... much like the article that started this whole mess...
Best,
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| Re: tkip has already been cracked Well, I do get that now, but I give more credit to Europe and America due to the two nationalities being pretty much soley responsible for today's technology. Even if they visited other countries, they were the ones who made the technology.
If the aztecs, incas, mayans, orients, egyptians, etc, made it, I would be praising them. | |
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| | | | | | | | | so you do you mean primarily war related stuffs for 'higher technology'? cause it took a while before it was used to assist in non-military work and even then it wasn't that much because it was still very dangerous to use. 'higher technology' is vague at best. | |
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| Re: tkip has already been cracked said by cornelius785:so you do you mean primarily war related stuffs for 'higher technology'? cause it took a while before it was used to assist in non-military work and even then it wasn't that much because it was still very dangerous to use. 'higher technology' is vague at best. I guess the two biggest semiconductor makers (Intel, AMD), the biggest software makers, the largest amount of medical research, biotech, nanotech, is now all military? | |
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| | uuhhh.... you are getting confused about the acronyms and aircrack's abilities. you are just spewing out acronyms and terms without understanding what they mean.
aircrack can (with a handshake capture) recover the PSK for WPA-PSK with brute force, dictionary, or rainbow (maybe a seperate program for the rainbow, not entirely sure). there is proof-of-concept in aircrack to decrypt a packet employing TKIP (based on old work). decrypting a single packet could be considered a 'crack', but it'll take a while to decrypt one packet, never mind a whole bunch.
also, if you read the article, the japanese work expands upon the old work. | |
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| said by munky99999:tkip has already been cracked. This is not news. Other then the fact that these computer scientists are just lazy and basically claiming credit for something they didnt do. You can compile aircrack right now and crack tkip. Unless ofcoarse the latest code is broken or something? It has been for awhile. Not sure about right now. Wpa tkip and aes can be dictionary attacked and rainbow attacked; more or less the same thing. AES only + strong password. First of all TKIP is not "cracked" . WEP is cracked in the sense there is a flaw in the cipher that allows certain recovery of the key.
This exploit is a man in the middle attack. The TKIP generated cipher is still secure in the sense that no one could gain your key and use your network connection.(with out brute force, which is impossible for practical purposes once one gets over say 9 or 10 random characters )
What could happen is injection of malicious packets, which still has not been demonstrated ( arp packets are not malicious, other than a "flooding attack")
TKIP is far far from being cracked.
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