| Mr. Bode, Has it occurred to you that some "lobbyist talking points" are grounded in legitimate economics, and that in such cases it would be the lawyers doing the parroting, not the reverse?
I don't know what would pass for you as "independent science" in this field--telecom policy doesn't end at engineering, of course--but I do know that Dr. Wallsten has a fine reputation among his colleagues in academia, government, and yes, even industry (for whom he by no means a stooge). He will do an excellent job at the FCC. |
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4 edits | Has it occurred to you that some "lobbyist talking points" are grounded in legitimate economics... All garbage think tank stats are somewhere based on legitimate economics. Think tanks generally take legitimate, cherry picked economics and distort it to make political points. I've covered this at length.I don't know what would pass for you as "independent science" in this field... How about, oh, independent science? That would be the opposite of a think tanker pushing policy positions paid for by an organization's constituents.
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Just because it looks like science and smells like science doesn't make it science. I'm sure he's the nicest fellow in the world, but declaring the U.S. "has no broadband problem" while ceaselessly praising investment in the sector speaks volumes.
I mean in his 2007 testimony before Congress as representative of a think tank funded by AT&T, Comcast and Verizon he comes to the conclusion there's no broadband problem, right before he admits all data collection methodology he disagrees with is flawed. Does that sound like science? Because it sounds like just more policy wonk nonsense to me. |
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| Karl, you have to put faith in Barack Obama. He's the Great One, He Cares for All, and it is his mission to give everyone broadband. He said so in a campaign speech. You must trust the Chosen One.
Unlike mere mortals like us, Barack doesn't make mistakes. He has a plan that we can't even fathom. We don't know how big it is. The depth of his plans are just far beyond our understanding.
Shhh! This recession, well, it is just part of his grand plan. The FCC is part of his plan. So, you must stick to We Can Change America. All those in the Think Tanks just like in the Drunk Tanks do.
And, Karl, independent thought should not be encouraged unless it is Barack Obama's published talking points. Anything else is heresy. Ted didn't follow the rules. He's dead. Barack doesn't share his glory with anyone. Ted found that out the hard way; Hillary probably soon will. |
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"free market" or "corporate rights"?
So why will I be going away in cuffs if me and my friends take the pickup out and try install some poles and fiber (no PUC permit, no PUC franchise, no EIS, no ROW room by law, no insurance, no local permit, no local franchise (depends on state law), no detail cop eating donuts, no county fire, electrical, and building inspector, no paying $500 an hour for contracted civil engineer by county to approve your blueprints, etc)? |
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said by Karl Bode:I don't know what would pass for you as "independent science" in this field... How about, oh, independent science? I seriously doubt there is such a thing as independent scientific studies, especially studies done about things implemented by industries.
Maybe some pure science studies, like the speed of photons thru fiber vs plastic, can be trusted to not be affected by the funding source.
But most studies, even those done by universities and supposedly unbiased professors, are greatly affected by who is funding them and also by their own prejudices and political beliefs. Just because a study is done by some academic instead of a think tank doesn't mean it is unbiased. Those academics are funded by industries; special interest groups; the government; etc - all with their own axes to grind.
There are plenty of studies done on drugs, for example, by universities and medical centers. Independent, right?? Hardly, as shown recently that a huge percentage of them were ghost written by the pharmaceutical industry.
So, think tank or independent? Is there really a difference? I don't think so.
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Because you didn't follow the ordinances of the local municipality and/or regulatory body. If you obtain your permits, achieve necessary franchise agreements, lease space in the ROW, pay appropriate insurance as required by law, outrun the cop eating donuts, ensure you receive necessary inspections, and have the city/county engineers approve your work, you can install your poles and/or trench your cable. Free market for everyone willing to abide by the rules. |
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So, think tank or independent? Is there really a difference? I don't think so. You're horribly, horribly confused. Then again, so is American culture. The medical industry and FDA is similarly conflicted over what's real science and what's highly refined manufactured bullshit. The fact that nobody, even yourself, a highly educated executive retiree, can tell the difference between lobbyist schlock and independent research is somewhat of a testament to its effectiveness. |
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Free market for everyone willing to abide by the rules. Said freedom expands exponentially if you have the financial power to have rules and laws changed to personally suit you... |
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1 edit | No, I mean free market for anyone will to abide by the process and pertinent regulations.
Since you edited your post. Why do you need to change laws to personally suit you to be able to enjoy a free market? |
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openbox9
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said by Karl Bode:The fact that nobody, even yourself, a highly educated executive retiree, can tell the difference between lobbyist schlock and independent research is somewhat of a testament to its effectiveness. Or maybe there really is no such thing as independent research. Hard sciences are easy to prove or disprove, everything else is subject to interpretation. |
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| Yes, and there's no such thing as truth. Truth isn't really a fixed pillar, it's a movable, flexible thing you can shift if you just yell loudly enough. |
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kudos:2 | Now you're finally starting to understand.
BTW, you seem a little off your game today with the number of post edits. |
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| My personally hired think tank data says I'm operating at 100% capacity, thank you very much. My personal PR flaks will support this. |
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said by openbox9: Free market for everyone willing to abide by the rules. What if your municipality made a "rule" saying only entities of a net worth of $10 million dollars can own personal and real property in the municipality, all others will be fined, then arrested? Will you abide by it? is that still your "free market"?
The rules that kill it and keep incumbents in power, who often used taxpayer subsidies, waivers, eminent domain, or low/free interest loans to build their networks, none of which any competitor can have today. |
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kudos:2 | If indeed such a restriction existed, then yes, I would abide by it....while working to change/amend the law. |
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kudos:1 | said by openbox9:If indeed such a restriction existed, then yes, I would abide by it....while working to change/amend the law. If people with your mindset ruled the world, we would all still be serfs giving away our first born son to the lord's army, and your lord gets your wife's virginity before marriage. Reform always happens voluntarily by the power, only rebellion and revolution make changes. The USA is a 2 party republic (might as well call it a single party state, both are bought and paid for equally), not a democracy (except for California). |
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kudos:2 | You're right, we should blindly ignore the rule of law and do whatever we damn well please. That oughta help society affect change for the better. Yes, the US is a federal republic...I've never stated otherwise. We aren't a "2 party republic", although we do have to primary political parties towering over the other ideologies. Not sure the relevance of the Government 101. |
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said by openbox9:Or maybe there really is no such thing as independent research. Hard sciences are easy to prove or disprove, everything else is subject to interpretation. Please be quiet. You really know nothing about science in general or how independent research works. It's truly embarrassing listening to you talk about it. |
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said by golfnsun :
But most studies, even those done by universities and supposedly unbiased professors, are greatly affected by who is funding them and also by their own prejudices and political beliefs. Just because a study is done by some academic instead of a think tank doesn't mean it is unbiased. Those academics are funded by industries; special interest groups; the government; etc - all with their own axes to grind.
Accusing academic research institutions of special interest bias is the height of idiocy and nonsense. You yourself have never been involved in research, and have absolutely no idea how brutal peer-reviewers are when evaluating one's research.
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There are plenty of studies done on drugs, for example, by universities and medical centers. Independent, right?? Hardly, as shown recently that a huge percentage of them were ghost written by the pharmaceutical industry.
If you actually paid attention to the field, you would realize falsified or distorted studies funded primarily by industry organizations are routinely debunked or flat out ignored by the scientific community. |
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said by openbox9:Because you didn't follow the ordinances of the local municipality and/or regulatory body. If you obtain your permits, achieve necessary franchise agreements, lease space in the ROW, pay appropriate insurance as required by law, outrun the cop eating donuts, ensure you receive necessary inspections, and have the city/county engineers approve your work, you can install your poles and/or trench your cable. Free market for everyone willing to abide by the rules. Then such market is inherently not "free", because there are artificial barriers to entry that prevent anyone and everyone from entering it.
Please, stop bandying about the term "free market". You obviously have no idea what the hypothetical concept even means. |
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