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4 edits | reply to Res Cogitans
Re: Mr. Bode, Has it occurred to you that some "lobbyist talking points" are grounded in legitimate economics... All garbage think tank stats are somewhere based on legitimate economics. Think tanks generally take legitimate, cherry picked economics and distort it to make political points. I've covered this at length.I don't know what would pass for you as "independent science" in this field... How about, oh, independent science? That would be the opposite of a think tanker pushing policy positions paid for by an organization's constituents.
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Just because it looks like science and smells like science doesn't make it science. I'm sure he's the nicest fellow in the world, but declaring the U.S. "has no broadband problem" while ceaselessly praising investment in the sector speaks volumes.
I mean in his 2007 testimony before Congress as representative of a think tank funded by AT&T, Comcast and Verizon he comes to the conclusion there's no broadband problem, right before he admits all data collection methodology he disagrees with is flawed. Does that sound like science? Because it sounds like just more policy wonk nonsense to me. |
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| Karl, you have to put faith in Barack Obama. He's the Great One, He Cares for All, and it is his mission to give everyone broadband. He said so in a campaign speech. You must trust the Chosen One.
Unlike mere mortals like us, Barack doesn't make mistakes. He has a plan that we can't even fathom. We don't know how big it is. The depth of his plans are just far beyond our understanding.
Shhh! This recession, well, it is just part of his grand plan. The FCC is part of his plan. So, you must stick to We Can Change America. All those in the Think Tanks just like in the Drunk Tanks do.
And, Karl, independent thought should not be encouraged unless it is Barack Obama's published talking points. Anything else is heresy. Ted didn't follow the rules. He's dead. Barack doesn't share his glory with anyone. Ted found that out the hard way; Hillary probably soon will. |
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said by Karl Bode:I don't know what would pass for you as "independent science" in this field... How about, oh, independent science? I seriously doubt there is such a thing as independent scientific studies, especially studies done about things implemented by industries.
Maybe some pure science studies, like the speed of photons thru fiber vs plastic, can be trusted to not be affected by the funding source.
But most studies, even those done by universities and supposedly unbiased professors, are greatly affected by who is funding them and also by their own prejudices and political beliefs. Just because a study is done by some academic instead of a think tank doesn't mean it is unbiased. Those academics are funded by industries; special interest groups; the government; etc - all with their own axes to grind.
There are plenty of studies done on drugs, for example, by universities and medical centers. Independent, right?? Hardly, as shown recently that a huge percentage of them were ghost written by the pharmaceutical industry.
So, think tank or independent? Is there really a difference? I don't think so.
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3 edits | So, think tank or independent? Is there really a difference? I don't think so. You're horribly, horribly confused. Then again, so is American culture. The medical industry and FDA is similarly conflicted over what's real science and what's highly refined manufactured bullshit. The fact that nobody, even yourself, a highly educated executive retiree, can tell the difference between lobbyist schlock and independent research is somewhat of a testament to its effectiveness. |
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kudos:2 | said by Karl Bode:The fact that nobody, even yourself, a highly educated executive retiree, can tell the difference between lobbyist schlock and independent research is somewhat of a testament to its effectiveness. Or maybe there really is no such thing as independent research. Hard sciences are easy to prove or disprove, everything else is subject to interpretation. |
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| Yes, and there's no such thing as truth. Truth isn't really a fixed pillar, it's a movable, flexible thing you can shift if you just yell loudly enough. |
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kudos:2 | Now you're finally starting to understand.
BTW, you seem a little off your game today with the number of post edits. |
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| My personally hired think tank data says I'm operating at 100% capacity, thank you very much. My personal PR flaks will support this. |
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said by openbox9:Or maybe there really is no such thing as independent research. Hard sciences are easy to prove or disprove, everything else is subject to interpretation. Please be quiet. You really know nothing about science in general or how independent research works. It's truly embarrassing listening to you talk about it. |
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said by golfnsun :
But most studies, even those done by universities and supposedly unbiased professors, are greatly affected by who is funding them and also by their own prejudices and political beliefs. Just because a study is done by some academic instead of a think tank doesn't mean it is unbiased. Those academics are funded by industries; special interest groups; the government; etc - all with their own axes to grind.
Accusing academic research institutions of special interest bias is the height of idiocy and nonsense. You yourself have never been involved in research, and have absolutely no idea how brutal peer-reviewers are when evaluating one's research.
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There are plenty of studies done on drugs, for example, by universities and medical centers. Independent, right?? Hardly, as shown recently that a huge percentage of them were ghost written by the pharmaceutical industry.
If you actually paid attention to the field, you would realize falsified or distorted studies funded primarily by industry organizations are routinely debunked or flat out ignored by the scientific community. |
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said by cameronsfx:Karl, you have to put faith in Barack Obama. He's the Great One, He Cares for All, and it is his mission to give everyone broadband. He said so in a campaign speech. You must trust the Chosen One. Unlike mere mortals like us, Barack doesn't make mistakes. He has a plan that we can't even fathom. We don't know how big it is. The depth of his plans are just far beyond our understanding. Shhh! This recession, well, it is just part of his grand plan. The FCC is part of his plan. So, you must stick to We Can Change America. All those in the Think Tanks just like in the Drunk Tanks do. And, Karl, independent thought should not be encouraged unless it is Barack Obama's published talking points. Anything else is heresy. Ted didn't follow the rules. He's dead. Barack doesn't share his glory with anyone. Ted found that out the hard way; Hillary probably soon will. Honestly, I am amazed that Obama hasn't completely lost faith in the American public and the American way of doing things after the idiocy of the anti-health reform groups showing up at townhall meetings and elsewhere.
I can't imagine how many times he wakes up in the morning, turns on the news, and just sighs at the stupidity of the public for being so easily swayed by corporations and special interests (and Fox News).
If I were him I would have given up already. I'm very pleased with his tenacity and faith in the common good. |
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Now that, I find very funny. Any time you want to debate real science, let me know. Considering that hard sciences are relatively indisputable, I don't expect to receive a response anytime soon. |
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said by sonicmerlin:said by cameronsfx:Karl, you have to put faith in Barack Obama. He's the Great One, He Cares for All, and it is his mission to give everyone broadband. He said so in a campaign speech. You must trust the Chosen One. Unlike mere mortals like us, Barack doesn't make mistakes. He has a plan that we can't even fathom. We don't know how big it is. The depth of his plans are just far beyond our understanding. Shhh! This recession, well, it is just part of his grand plan. The FCC is part of his plan. So, you must stick to We Can Change America. All those in the Think Tanks just like in the Drunk Tanks do. And, Karl, independent thought should not be encouraged unless it is Barack Obama's published talking points. Anything else is heresy. Ted didn't follow the rules. He's dead. Barack doesn't share his glory with anyone. Ted found that out the hard way; Hillary probably soon will. Honestly, I am amazed that Obama hasn't completely lost faith in the American public and the American way of doing things after the idiocy of the anti-health reform groups showing up at townhall meetings and elsewhere. I can't imagine how many times he wakes up in the morning, turns on the news, and just sighs at the stupidity of the public for being so easily swayed by corporations and special interests (and Fox News). If I were him I would have given up already. I'm very pleased with his tenacity and faith in the common good. You realize that was total sarcasm, right? |
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