Sonic.net Drops Prices On ADSL2+ Service > Only if you are less than 11K from the CO

Only if you are less than 11K from the CO

that's why instead of spending all this money on DSL they should be investing it in other products. WiMAX? FTTH, MDUs, Moto Canopy products, etc

Wimax would actually be a good idea, IMHO, I have seen speed test with a DL of over 13m and a UL of over 7m.

I've seen tests like that as well.

i don't get why ISPs spend all this money on DSL and using the ILECs networks/last mile plant when they can spend that money building out their own network and save the $$$ in the long run. Especially deploying ADSL2+ and then gonna rebuild out later? IMO WTF!

I know why waste money on DSL(which money spent on DSL is imho) When wimax can do WAY better UL speeds than DSL and about on par with ULs I have seen from TW.

100/50 is being worked on for mobile wimax, and 1000/? for fixed. Thats better than docsis3.

AND wimax can be used to make a wireless last mile. And from what I hear can congestion can be fixed more easily than cable.

reply to hottboiinnc

reply to hottboiinnc
The reason is that it costs money. Verizon and AT&T are billion dollar companies. It costs a lot of money to lay fibre whether it's in the ground or run from the telegraph pole. Sonic does not have to do this using copper. It's already there for them.

As Dane mentioned, Sonic aren't stupid but are playing a safe and long term game.

It's pretty obvious if you think about it.

nobody said anything about fiBER we stated WiMAX and Moto Canopy products and getting away from copper. But Sonic doesn't get that. They spend all this money deploying their own NOC but YET still are relaying on a DEAD technology and on ATT.

When you spend that capital on a dead technology you lose now and especially later. You should spend that money on a technology that is NEW and WORKS withOUT the ILEC's 100+year old network.

Ok. So how much does it cost to employ WiMax and Canopy relative to ADSL?

What's with all the CAPITAL LETTERS? You seem a little angry/agitated about all this. You live in Toledo, OH so Sonic's business decisions don't affect you agree?

At the end of the day, Dane is the CEO and founder so it is up to him to decide how Sonic is run. Don't you agree?

No it doesn't bother me. It's not my money. He can be the CEO/Founder all he wants. It's the point he doesn't know how to spend money on what will work. Instead he's using an outdated technology that later ATT will run him into the ground.

I also don't live in Toledo

reply to hottboiinnc
You mentioned earlier in these posts about FTTH . How much does it cost to install WiMax relative to ADSL? The copper wire is installed whereas erecting base stations to serve multiplle locations are not.

Even ATT still uses primarily DSL with Uverse. Fibre to the VRAD and then DSL to the premises.

I for one will be ordering dual bonded ADSL2+ shortly and enjoy the 30/2 Mbit speeds from this slow and outdated technolgy.

reply to hottboiinnc
Errr.... WiMax not only involves investment in base stations and other equipment, along with CPE, but also spectrum. Incase you haven't noticed, spectrum isn't exactly free...... even carriers like AT&T and Verizon Wireless spent billions on measly allocations of frequencies. Also, wireless is all well and good when you have a mobile network, but when you have thousands of subscribers connecting to a single base station in a city for hours at a time, as is the case with fixed WiMax, you not only need a LOT of backhaul, you need HUGE amounts of spectrum, which costs astronomical amounts, compared to deploying a wired technology that runs on existing infrastructure. As of right now, only Sprint/Clear have the 100 Mhz/market spectrum to possibly even imagine serving up 6-10 Mbps speeds to large metro areas on a pseudo-reliable basis. Even then, you're probably going to have to impose some serious throttling/network management to keep things under control.

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reply to hottboiinnc
I don't believe wireless will serve fixed users well in the long run. There just isn't enough capacity.

An ADSL2+ deployment is a "DSLAM" in a CO - and today's DSLAMs are actually MSAs - multi-service-aggregators, so they will take a GPON card when it's time for FTTH.

Building a network of COs and MSAs is one step along a path.

-Dane