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Re: Short in Internal Phone Wiring said by CanerisErik: Caneris does ISW I&R in selected areas of Ontario, via a sister company. Good business sense. Even Bell is getting in to the free bit.
I have noticed lately that people porting back to Bell from a cable voip are getting a
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 CanerisErikCanerisPremium,VIP
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kudos:2 | said by x_bell :
I have noticed lately that people porting back to Bell from a cable voip are getting a
free repair to patch the isw back to their network.
Speaking of that, if I were Bell, instead of doing this, I would just sue Rogers for destruction of Bell property. Rogers and other cableco techs are trained to destroy/hamper your ability to go back to copper-based services when they install RHPc or other cable VoIP. For example, they will "accidentally" cut buried drops too close to the ground, etc. except there is nothing accidental about it and they shouldn't have their dirty little red paws in someone else's OSP to begin with. It's methodical and intentional.
It's completely ridiculous and unfortunate that it has to affect ISPs too, for example, where someone orders dry DSL and it's impossible to reconnect the ISW easily.
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Etobicoke, ON | said by CanerisErik:Speaking of that, if I were Bell, instead of doing this, I would just sue Rogers for destruction of Bell property. Rogers and other cableco techs are trained to destroy/hamper your ability to go back to copper-based services when they install RHPc or other cable VoIP. For example, they will "accidentally" cut buried drops too close to the ground, etc. except there is nothing accidental about it and they shouldn't have their dirty little red paws in someone else's OSP to begin with. It's methodical and intentional. It's completely ridiculous and unfortunate that it has to affect ISPs too, for example, where someone orders dry DSL and it's impossible to reconnect the ISW easily. This doesn't surprise me at all from the cable co's. I've been hearing about stuff like this both here and in the US for a few years now. |
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said by CanerisErik: Speaking of that, if I were Bell, instead of doing this, I would just sue Rogers for destruction of Bell property. Bell and Videotron already got into this. I think in addition to the CRTC apps.there was a lawsuit filed.
If there is a proper nid. I have found the cable guys just unplug it.
If there is a protector then any manner of destructive practices take place. Of course I make money reconstituting this.
Lately Bell, in their never ending desire to screw me over, has decided to do a truck roll to make sure the isw is hooked back up.
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2008/dt2008-7.htm
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kudos:2 | said by x_bell :said by CanerisErik: Speaking of that, if I were Bell, instead of doing this, I would just sue Rogers for destruction of Bell property. Bell and Videotron already got into this. I think in addition to the CRTC apps.there was a lawsuit filed. Ah...interesting...didn't know that! What was the outcome of the lawsuit?
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| I remember someone mentioning it in a post. Maybe it was settled in the early stages. Here is a transcript from some hearings on this matter though.
"Vidéotron continues to argue that, because it needs to conduct premises visits when it installs telephone services in its new telephony customer's premises, Bell Canada should expect to do the same if it wins back those customers."
»www.crtc.gc.ca/ENG/transcripts/2···0118.htm |
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CanerisErikCanerisPremium,VIP
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kudos:2 | said by x_bell :I remember someone mentioning it in a post. Maybe it was settled in the early stages. Here is a transcript from some hearings on this matter though. "Vidéotron continues to argue that, because it needs to conduct premises visits when it installs telephone services in its new telephony customer's premises, Bell Canada should expect to do the same if it wins back those customers." » www.crtc.gc.ca/ENG/transcripts/2···0118.htm Thanks. Good read. This is one of the few instances where I unfortunately support Bell's position, for the most part. I don't support their position regarding mandating NIDs, but I agree, since I've seen with my own eyes, that Videotron (and other cablecos) says one thing and does another.
It was good to see them mention MDUs (indicating they are out of scope) as there are no NIDs and there would still be a truck roll required to disconnect/reconnect at the MTR/IT or in-suite demarc.
It was unfortunate that the impact of third party providers or other more complex configurations was not considered. There was this implicit assumption that customers would have all services from either the telco or cableco, whereas in reality, one scenario is that many of our subscribers have dry DSL from us *because* they have cable VoIP from their cableco. This creates an additional complexity with respect to ISW, where it cannot be disconnected from the Bell network entirely, so all this idiotic "wire snipping" nonsense just can't work. It's the same situation with any VoIP+DSL actually. In the end, the customer and the non-cableco SP is getting screwed. Fortunately, our ISW I&R ability allows us to mitigate all of these things successfully often.
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