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Re: Symmetrical!! said by r81984:The definition of broadband should include being symmetrical for up and down. As a compromise the minimum download spead should be the minimum upload, so if they say 768k is broadband then that should apply to uploads also. Having lower standards for uploading is stupid. I dont understand why.
1mbit to 2mbit upload is far beyond necessary.
Should the crtc/fcc enforce the isps to provide symmetrical? Sure.
The reality is... Cable has to design a certain number of lines for upload vs download. Creating the ratio. They could go symmetrical.
DSL's freq range is limited. To go 5/5mbit. That's a very very strong sync. I wouldnt say that's very deliverable by many isps to many places.
5mbit/1mbit on the otherhand is very good for a basis. |
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 r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T DSL Service
 ·row44
| said by munky99999:5mbit/1mbit on the otherhand is very good for a basis. Everyone uses the internet differently. 1mbps to 2mbps may not be necessary for you, but I and many people would gladly use faster upload speeds. I can say to you that 1mbps to 2mbps is all that is necessary for downloading, why do people need 50mbps? Would you be fine with 1mbps down?
Since one thing everyone does is upload and download they should be equal. Just because you do not upload much does not mean the rest of the world does not. If the internet did not have equal upload to downloading then increasing the download speed does not matter.
The only sure thing to do is define broadband as symmetrical. If an ISP cannot reach that then they should call themselves "High Speed Asymmetrical Internet" and not Broadband.
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| said by r81984:Everyone uses the internet differently. 1mbps to 2mbps may not be necessary for you, but I and many people would gladly use faster upload speeds. Sure everyone uses the internet differently. Except in generalities... they are extremely so the same.
Sure moar upload can be nice for many people. Perhaps they upload video to youtube constantly. The reality is that they can go get symmetrical or whatever in order to have this. General people dont need large upload.
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I can say to you that 1mbps to 2mbps is all that is necessary for downloading, why do people need 50mbps? Would you be fine with 1mbps down?
You just switched upload for download. Faster download is better because most people are going to websites or whatever. Like youtube say. Downloading off their epic t-carrier nets or whatever hosts them. They arent using broadband in the same sense as the fcc is defining.
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Since one thing everyone does is upload and download they should be equal. Just because you do not upload much does not mean the rest of the world does not. If the internet did not have equal upload to downloading then increasing the download speed does not matter.
This really doesnt make much sense to me. They arent uploading and downloading equally.
Hell you arent far from halifax. I bet you guys have super fibre lines to your house at this point @ super cheap rates. NL and NS are so wired because of the telco lines going across the atlantic. You probably dont even realize the isp hell the rest of the continent is in. |
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r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T DSL Service
·row44
| I am a general person and I need fast uploads.
People send pictures, videos, work from home. Everyone could use faster uploads.
Also I am not talking about constant upload. When you need to upload something large you will wish you had your upload as fast as your download.
Internet in NL sucks. Rogers and the other ISPs gouge you with overpriced plans and download caps. I move here for work. 3 months ago I was in the US where I paid $45 a month with no caps for 20/1.5mbps in the middle of nowhere louisiana.
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I don't find anything wrong with a high symmetrical tier. The absolute minimum should be 5/1 like you said, IMHO. Actually, any higher speeds should be done proportionally to that (10/2, 15/3, etc). |
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 knightmbEverybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN | reply to munky99999
said by munky99999:said by r81984:The definition of broadband should include being symmetrical for up and down. As a compromise the minimum download spead should be the minimum upload, so if they say 768k is broadband then that should apply to uploads also. Having lower standards for uploading is stupid. I dont understand why. 1mbit to 2mbit upload is far beyond necessary. Should the crtc/fcc enforce the isps to provide symmetrical? Sure. The reality is... Cable has to design a certain number of lines for upload vs download. Creating the ratio. They could go symmetrical. DSL's freq range is limited. To go 5/5mbit. That's a very very strong sync. I wouldnt say that's very deliverable by many isps to many places. 5mbit/1mbit on the otherhand is very good for a basis. I'd much rather the FCC stay out of my business. If I want to sell customers the 56k package for $1 a month, then I should be able to. Not be forced to sell the 2 mbit up/down connection for $30 a month because people don't have perspective on what people really use the Internet for these days. 
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| said by knightmb:I'd much rather the FCC stay out of my business. If I want to sell customers the 56k package for $1 a month, then I should be able to. Not be forced to sell the 2 mbit up/down connection for $30 a month because people don't have perspective on what people really use the Internet for these days. Afaik in the situation. They are trying to define broadband. Such that they can guage whether and area has broadband access or not. Not whether or not you can sell non-broadband services.
If they made the lowest sync for broadband to be say 5mbit/1mbit. Any areas or rather blocks of people who cannot reach beyond that. Dont have broadband access. Thusly it will mean... those people need better access. So a plan would be devised to get them access.
The ISPs are absolutely terrified at this because it pretty much shows how poor their networks really are. |
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davePremium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
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said by r81984:The only sure thing to do is define broadband as symmetrical. I think they should define broadband as "carried over green and red wires".
I mean, if everyone else gets to make up their own definitions of what an existing well-defined word "should" mean, I want to play too. |
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WhatNowPremium
join:2009-05-06
Charlotte, NC | reply to r81984
What are you willing to pay for these higher speeds. If they forced everybody to pay $100 or more per month to achieve this would you still be in favor of higher speed.
If you don't like the speed where you live you could move somewhere based on the internet speed.
The posts on this board are always one sided putting in the infrastructure is expensive by the time you get it in it is obsolete just like computers you buy. If a ISP goes up even a dollar you guys scream bloody murder. Look what Verizon did they dumped every where fios would not pay for itself. |
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| reply to munky99999
Yeah you are only covering "general" consumer use. Those of us trying to work for our employers from home could definitely use a 5/5 Mbps symmetrical connection to its fullest extent every single day.
Hell even my "consumer" uses could use well over 3Mbps.
Not everyone lives to only use HTTP my friend. And no I don't fileshare music or movies. All of my uses are legitimate. |
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