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 GeekJediRF is Good For YouPremium
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Re: 3 weeks later... said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:Users claim it works better than WM devices even though they can only install "iFart" and "iDrink". Or LogMeIn or Tomtom or VNC or YouTube or Google Earth or Crash Kart or VoIP Walkie Talkie...those are just a few of the apps I have. Come to think of it, I don't have iFart or iDrink on mine.
So it appears to me that you might be a little uneducated.
OR
Breaking: You're a troll.
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iansltx
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| The message of the "troll" is correct though; most people will buy for the name, then burden the network more, then complain when MMS isn't rolled out on time.
I have a first-gen iPhone. It's a solid product. The apps are pretty cool too though I can get the productivity apps I need on Windows Mobile as well. Or I can use an iTouch. No camera and no phone, but honestly I wouldn't dream of signing a two-year contract with AT&T just to use the iPhone. Not with AT&T's lousy network and ridiculously high prices ($40 for voice + $20 for messagin + $30 for internet + taxes and fees). | |
GeekJediRF is Good For YouPremium
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| It seems that when someone uses the phrase "most people" it's to support an assumption. Unless you've asked "most people" it's at best a guess.
I didn't buy the iPhone because of the name. I bought it because I really like the device and what it does.
You may not dream of signing that contract, but I did - twice - without any reservation. I'd like to think that being an Engineer that I'm a pretty smart guy and wouldn't make a decision like that based purely on emotion.
At any rate, I disagree that the message of the "troll" is correct. The message of the "troll" (aside from several of his points being wrong) is that he doesn't like the device, therefore nobody should.
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iansltx
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| Maybe the AT&T network works well (2G and 3G) where you live. Maybe you don't need MMS...ever. Maybe you're fine with waiting for Apple to accept certain features into their product that have been in others for ages. Maybe you're fine paying $70+taxes+fees minimum for your cellular service.
More power to you...and "most people". Yes I'm making an assumption, however "most people" aren't here on DSLR. Anyone who's on here is a special case.
Again, I have the iPhone. Original, unlocked, on T-Mobile. Decent phone, no doubt. UI is the best out there at the moment. It's not a perfect phone though and as such I'm not paying $50 more per month than I am right now to get service with an iPhone on AT&T's network. The effective cost to me for the phone would be about $14-- over the life of the contract, versus what I'm paying now. Big difference, don't you think? | |
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said by GeekJedi:said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:Users claim it works better than WM devices even though they can only install "iFart" and "iDrink". Or LogMeIn or Tomtom or VNC or YouTube or Google Earth or Crash Kart or VoIP Walkie Talkie...those are just a few of the apps I have. Come to think of it, I don't have iFart or iDrink on mine. So it appears to me that you might be a little uneducated. OR Breaking: You're a troll. Seems to me like you have an iPhone, and I didn't need a crystal ball for that one.
Lets go down the list:
The logmein iPhone app isn't free, albiet convient, isn't free. Here is an alternative to VNC remote desktop system for Windows..
But, why would you want to remote your desktop from a small screen is beyond me apparently. I would just as quickly whip out my netbook and use ICSControl to use the data connection on my phone on my netbook without having to pay some ungodly fee or void the warranty of my device.
As far as Tom Tom, why do you need to pay for a GPS software when you have Google Maps. If you are that attached to Tom Tom then it is available for the Windows Mobile platform. Strapped for cash, then how about amAze?
VNC client? Really? I haven't used VNC in YEARS. The only platform that I would think of using that on is Linux, which if you want remote desktop on that I would recommend NoMachine. But, if for some reason you really REALLY want to use VNC, you can do this on Windows Mobile. Covering the Windows front the more recent WM devices I have bought have a RDP client pre-installed. Which leaves the Mac front...which I guess you need to use VNC. If you are using VNC for tech-support - do yourself a favor and use Croosloop instead.
Youtube comes pre-installed on modern WM devices. For those with WM devices who have missed the boat here is a friendly link!
I didn't realize that iPhone's have Google Earth, but it goes back to my original argument - why on Earth (pun intended) would you use an application like Google Earth on a small screen. Would it not make sense to use it on a large(r) monitor on your desktop? I can understand Google Maps, which WM users can get, to use a maps/GPS system...but I just can't see why you would want to use Google Earth on a small screen device. I could defiantly see you using it on the Apple tablet if/when it ever comes out however.
Albeit, "Crash Kart" is a iPhone exclusive game (which I am kind of confused on why you would even mention it), it does beg the question of what you believe the function of your device really is. To me I see my WM as a tool; not a toy. Perhaps you see the iPhone as a toy and not a tool. Everything that I use on a day-to-day basis I view as a tool to help me become better organized, live my life better, keep track of my servers...ect ect.
But, since we don't want Windows Mobile to feel lonely...Microsoft has the ability for you to use Direct3D on WM devices. OpenGL is great and all (especially for being free and opensource), but there are reasons why DirectX is more popular than OpenGL for game development.
I found your "walkie-talkie VOIP" app but it cost's $2. I did however find something quite interesting for WM devices (of course that's free). If you really want to talk VOIP applications, sit down let's talk about Skype. Nah, I won't go THAT low.
Now, let's talk about YOU.  .
You missed my obvious attempt at sarcasm, which we both know the only apps on the Apple store is not "iFart" and "iDrink". I was trying to make a point however, that there *appears* to be more novelty applications in the app store than actual apps that allow you to be more productive in your day-to-day actions. Especially, when you read news about applications like the "I am rich" app; and Google Voice getting pulled...you have to wonder what is actually IN the app store if Apple pulls things that are useful but lets "I am rich" slip through the cracks. Is that not a fair deduction?
No matter, I am not uneducated - especially not when it comes to the mobile platform. Though, calling someone else uneducated without providing hard evidence to back yourself up does raise a few eyebrows no?
Through my previous paragraphs I have shown that only 3/7 of the applications you provided as a sample (which 1 is an iPhone exclusive, which I wouldn't normally count but many will complain so I'll include in the stats) do not have direct WM counter-parts. The rest all seem to have some sort of version on WM platform, in fact usually the version on the WM platform is cheaper (usually free) than what you can get on the iPhone. In fact the only application I linked to that you need to pay for is Tom-Tom which again there is an alternative free version of that service in another flavor.
I do not believe I ever say that WM devices are better than iPhone (and if I did I am wrong, just making this clear so you can better understand my position). Each device has it's pros and cons. But, for those who believe that the iPhone can do a lot of things that the WM platform can't...are wrong, period.
Most applications that you can think of on the iPhone most likely have a WM counter-part. Do you really think that Apple's idea of not having multiple apps that do the same thing a good idea? I'm sorry but I like competition because it usually breeds innovation and competitive pricing (USUALLY). Do you really believe that it's a good idea for Apple to tell you what you can and can't install on a device that you paid for?
Don't even give me any of that "I jailbroke it, so now it work's great" spiel - I thought all Apple products are just supposed to "work out of the box"? That is my beef with Apple, they are not thinking about the customer; they are thinking FOR the customer. I like my devices the way I like my boxes; rooted and under my full control! . I don't know about you but I wouldn't support a company who doesn't put the wants of the customer first - and don't tell me that people wouldn't like to have full control over their device. Yeah, sure, Apple may prevent you from doing that so you don't fubar the device and blame Apple - but isn't that kind of giving the impression that they are selling the devices to uhh..."simple" people?
It is all going back to the argument that Mac's are better than PCs. Well, lets examine what is inside of a Mac; PC parts. So, I ask you - how can a Mac be any better than a PC when the internal guts are the same?
Here are some leaving questions for you:
Why would you buy a device just to have to jailbreak it to bring it to it's full potential?
Why on both Android and WM you can install 3rd party applications but on the iPhone you can't?
Do you consider the iPhone as a toy or tool? You can't have it both ways, to me I really consider the iPhone as a toy due to its fundamental lacking of a modern operating system feature: multi-tasking. Again, don't go down the road of "jailbreaking" because this is supposed to be a device that is supposed to just "work out of the box" no?
In fact in my little amount of research, it appears the iPhone costs MORE in out-of-pocket costs than having a WM device. Appearances can be deceiving - but if you just humor me and try to find the WM counter-part to whatever application you currently have on your iPhone, I think you will also see what I came to that conclusion. | |
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