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dcdeadbeat5

join:2008-10-07
Washington, DC

reply to NOVA_Guy

Re: oh hamburgers

said by NOVA_Guy:

So then why is it that people were complaining about AT&T's lackluster network before the iPhone came out? I'm sorry to say that you've bought in to the corporate propaganda that AT&T tries to push out to everyone.

It's a sorry excuse, really. It's not like AT&T didn't know that the iPhone was coming, and that they had no idea of its potential. They've had quite a while to bring their network up to snuff-- even before the iPhone was a glimmer in Steve Jobs's eye.

I've been with AT&T for many years, and have never been truly satisfied with them. It's just that until now, I haven't been dissatisfied enough with them to want to leave. But that's changing. Corporate greed, inadequate infrastructure, and poor customer service are causing me to think about taking my 5 lines elsewhere. The sad thing is that even if I do I don't truly believe that I'm likely to have substantially different results... Oh well, at least if I move to Sprint I might be able to save a few bucks.
I work in IT so I didn't buy into any propaganda. I have real world experience with all of the networks. And guess what, they all work about the same.

Do these people that claim the network sucks actually own an iPhone? Or do they just like complaining.

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I've used an iPhone, but do not own one.

Personally just not a fan of GSM networks for phone calls as it's based on TDMA.

T-Mobile also uses GSM, which I also do not care for when it comes to phone calls.

Perhaps it's better in some areas, but CDMA for phone calls still seems to be far more reliable overall.

What's funny is that in AT&T "3G" areas, the data is actually served via a variant of CDMA

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_···s_System

In some cases there are also "blends" of both TDMA/CDMA
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TD-CDMA

...Speaking only from personal experience, I just happen to think that TDMA sucks badly for voice, and since GSM is based on this, it's not surprising to see the same randomly dropped calls...

Again, in some places, it's probably "better" but I still think it just doesn't work as reliably. Call me a "fanboy" or whatever you wish, I'm just voicing my own opinion and don't have a stake in things either way.

I also agree w/Ian that simultaneous voice/data doesn't make/break a deal for me either.

Hopefully a good standard will eventually take hold and prove to be the best for every carrier, and there will be reliable wireless service for both voice and data, no matter who you sign up with. Oh, and it'd be nice to add any phone to any carrier too...
...One can dream...


dcdeadbeat5

join:2008-10-07
Washington, DC

said by amungus:

I've used an iPhone, but do not own one.

Personally just not a fan of GSM networks for phone calls as it's based on TDMA.

T-Mobile also uses GSM, which I also do not care for when it comes to phone calls.

Perhaps it's better in some areas, but CDMA for phone calls still seems to be far more reliable overall.

What's funny is that in AT&T "3G" areas, the data is actually served via a variant of CDMA

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_···s_System

In some cases there are also "blends" of both TDMA/CDMA
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TD-CDMA

...Speaking only from personal experience, I just happen to think that TDMA sucks badly for voice, and since GSM is based on this, it's not surprising to see the same randomly dropped calls...

Again, in some places, it's probably "better" but I still think it just doesn't work as reliably. Call me a "fanboy" or whatever you wish, I'm just voicing my own opinion and don't have a stake in things either way.

I also agree w/Ian that simultaneous voice/data doesn't make/break a deal for me either.

Hopefully a good standard will eventually take hold and prove to be the best for every carrier, and there will be reliable wireless service for both voice and data, no matter who you sign up with. Oh, and it'd be nice to add any phone to any carrier too...
...One can dream...
This standard already exists. It is called LTE. The problem is that there is no voice component agreed upon just yet. So any company that implements it will have to use VOIP.

Also be careful about Wikipedia articles about cell phone technologies. While it is true that AT&T uses W-CDMA, that is not the same as Verizon's CDMA2000 technology. W-CDMA is better known as HSPA (or even the older UMTS).

HSPA allows for simultaneous voice and data. CDMA2000 does not.

LTE is the upgrade path for AT&T, Verizon, and just about every other cell company in the world (except Sprint which is reselling WiMax from Clear).

Once LTE is available, I would expect to see iphones on Verizon but not until then.

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