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Re: Celebrating "Labor"...? said by elray:said by sonicmerlin:said by bigunk:Actually, I think there were no unions there, and everyone was quite happy. I think I read somewhere that that factory was a joint venture between Toyota and one of the big 3. Unions don't help anymore. Now, they exist only to feed their own existence, not really caring for the workers as long as they pay their dues and vote the union way. Sigh...if only you realized how foolish you sound. GM made untold profits for decades but refused to invest in meaningful R&D. Consumer trends changed significantly over the last 2 decades as people became more environmentally conscience. GM refused to significantly alter their product lines. And you're blaming unions for these problems? You can thank your 8 hr day, 5 day/week, + vacation time and benefits, and all the other amenities of your job, on unions. And you can thank them for preventing large corporations from returning us back to the "good old days" of the late 19th and early 20th century. No, thank you. In my entire life, unions only served to prevent me from being hired. Closed shop means just that. No argument that GM management contributed to its demise as well, designing clunkers. But what pushed them over the edge, was agreeing to unlimited retiree healthcare benefits and phenomenal wages. All they did was postpone the day of reckoning. Unions may have worked for some, at the expense of others, but when they become an effective monopoly for labor, and take too much at the table, then management WILL take away all the marbles, and go home, which we've seen time and again in American industry. And for sonicmerlin, YES, Fremont was a union shop. ...sigh... think about it from this very specific, limited perspective. Without unions you'd still be working 14 hours/day, 7 days a week.
By limiting the number of hours in a "full-time" employment, unions have actually increased employment opportunities overall.
I don't know about your specific experiences, but unions do a lot of good that you apparently are not aware of. Why don't you read a little bit about the topic before you espouse your hate? | | |
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| said by sonicmerlin:...sigh... think about it from this very specific, limited perspective. Without unions you'd still be working 14 hours/day, 7 days a week. By limiting the number of hours in a "full-time" employment, unions have actually increased employment opportunities overall. I don't know about your specific experiences, but unions do a lot of good that you apparently are not aware of. Why don't you read a little bit about the topic before you espouse your hate? The standard refuge of today's leftist scoundrel: my attestation to the simple FACT that unions destroy jobs, and blockaded my employment for years, is "hate".
Please demonstrate, in today's context, ANY place where the presence of a union has attracted employers and created wealth.
You can't.
Instead, unions cause employers to leave town, either out of state, or offshore.
I've worked with several locals, and seen the books.
I was never surprised when the subpoenas came followed by indictments. I have plenty of exposure to union administration and operation.
Wasn't it you who claimed Fremont had no union?
Perhaps you should read a little bit on the topic. | |
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