 danclan
join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA | reply to fifty nine
Re: how much for similar fios? said by fifty nine:FiOS doesn't offer anything comparable. They just haven't bothered to. And have no real need as with their 50/20 plan you can probably get just as good a connection if not better and 100% more upstream traffic to help better service your clients....or yourself since its available to businesses and consumers alike for under 150 a month. |
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rebus9
join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay Reviews:
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·Verizon FiOS
| said by danclan:said by fifty nine:FiOS doesn't offer anything comparable. They just haven't bothered to. And have no real need as with their 50/20 plan you can probably get just as good a connection if not better and 100% more upstream traffic to help better service your clients....or yourself since its available to businesses and consumers alike for under 150 a month. My day-job connection is multiple Gig-E to 4 carriers, and my management workstation plugs directly into that core. Believe me when I say there really isn't much practical use for anything faster than 10-20 mbps unless you're a serious downloader and have multiple download threads running simultaneously where you can actually max out a 50+ mbps connection.
My downloads from Microsoft, HP, Sun, etc., don't run much faster than ~25 mbps. Browsing websites does not feel any faster on a 100 mbps pipe than it does at home on FIOS at 25 mbps. (although there IS a noticeable difference between my FIOS and 7 mbps Road Runner). And watching YouTube doesn't require more than 3-5 mbps, or a tad faster if you don't want the occasional buffering pauses.
100 mbps to the home would be great bragging rights, but a total waste of money unless you have an insatiable download appetite. |
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 IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | With a small enough cap, the speed doesn't matter anyway. |
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| said by IPPlanMan:With a small enough cap, the speed doesn't matter anyway. Truth ! |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to rebus9
Tell that to the Cablevision folks.
Though they probably mainly got the tier for the upload speed. |
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bn1221
join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY | reply to danclan
Since when do they do FiOS for business? Everything I call they say they are doing it for home users only. It might be due to them not meeting an SLA but fiber is really, really reliable. |
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rebus9
join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay Reviews:
·RoadRunner Cable
·Verizon FiOS
| said by bn1221:Since when do they do FiOS for business? Everything I call they say they are doing it for home users only. It might be due to them not meeting an SLA but fiber is really, really reliable. Mine is a Business FIOS connection at home. It definitely exists, and in fact, it's the only way you can get a static IP.
»www22.verizon.com/content/businessfios |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to IPPlanMan
No 250GB cap on business. |
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IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | said by iansltx:No 250GB cap on business. And why do you suppose that is? Maybe because businesses aren't downloading movies off of iTunes/vudu/Netflix. |
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said by rebus9:100 mbps to the home would be great bragging rights, but a total waste of money unless you have an insatiable download appetite. Err...
Hi, name's Papa Midnight, and I'm a chronic downloader. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to IPPlanMan
No. It's because businesses are paying more for the service. |
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IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1
1 edit | said by iansltx:No. It's because businesses are paying more for the service. 20-30 dollars more a month for the Business Tier over the residential tier gets you a whole bunch of other goodies besides the higher cap. (Microsoft Mail, Business Level Support, etc.)
Internet Starter Plan $59.95 per month
* 6 Mbps broadband downloads/1Mbps broadband Uploads + PowerBoost
* McAfee® Virus Scan
* Microsoft Communication Tools, including 2 Outlook mailboxes
* Domain name and three-page Web site
* 24/7 Business Class support
* Additional details
Recommended for:
* Businesses with lighter download needs
* Businesses looking for a more economical service that doesn’t skimp on speed or features
Internet Preferred Plan $89.95 per month
* 16 Mbps broadband downloads/2Mbps broadband Uploads + PowerBoost
* McAfee® Virus Scan
* Microsoft Communication Tools, including 4 Outlook mailboxes
* Domain name and starter three-page Web site
* 24/7 Business Class support
* Fully customizable options
* Additional details
Recommended for:
* Businesses with normal download and upload needs
* Businesses looking for increased productivity at a highly competitive rate
So the cap isn't higher because businesses are paying more. I think I've debunked that myth....
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"We're going to start at one end of (Fallujah), and we're not going to stop until we get to the other. If there's anybody left when that happens, we're going to turn around and we're going to go back and finish it."
Lt. Col. Pete Newell: 1st Inf. US Army |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Comcast
| I'd maintain that the higher cap higher price thing is indeed the case. Residential customers can get business accounts and guess what they do? That's right, download Hulu/Netflix/etc. Businesses who grab a high-bandwidth Comcast connection will probably use it, though they'll more likely be passing large files between point A and point B with a less "messy" protocol than BitTorrent.
That said, I probably use more interwebz than maybe 30% of Comcast Business customers. |
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IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | So how much of the 20-30 dollar price difference do you attribute to:
* Microsoft Communication Tools, including 4 Outlook mailboxes
* Domain name and starter three-page Web site
* 24/7 Business Class support
* Fully customizable options
And the rest is supposed to cover bandwidth? Really?
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"We're going to start at one end of (Fallujah), and we're not going to stop until we get to the other. If there's anybody left when that happens, we're going to turn around and we're going to go back and finish it."
Lt. Col. Pete Newell: 1st Inf. US Army |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Comcast
| Yes. Really. Would you like to pay more for business service?
Remember that most Comcast business users won't use all of the Exchange mailboxes. They may not use any of them.
The domain and three-page starter website probably costs Comcast $10 per year, if that much.
Business class support doens't cost much more then resi support. Probably less overall because business accounts aren't going to have as many "dumb questions".
Fully customizable options? Don't those cost extra?
Also, bandwidth is cheap. If Comcast has the capacity at the last mile (with DOCSIS 3 they do) 250GB costs Comcast around $3 or so. |
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IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1
2 edits | I don't want to pay more for any service if possible. Not sure where you're going with that... Who would?
I'm not sure what usage of the Mailboxes has to do with anything. They are provided and it's included in the cost.
The domain name and website is included in the price. You could go to Godaddy instead and pay the same or more.
Business class support doesn't cost more to handle than Residential Support? Really? I think you're generalizing about "dumb questions" as well.
The options may cost extra, but that's not the point. They aren't even available on the residential tier.
Bandwidth is cheap? I think you've made my point.
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"We're going to start at one end of (Fallujah), and we're not going to stop until we get to the other. If there's anybody left when that happens, we're going to turn around and we're going to go back and finish it."
Lt. Col. Pete Newell: 1st Inf. US Army |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Comcast
| Last I checked you were trying to prove that Comcast, with all those extra features, couldn't possibly be charging more for their business class service based on caps or lack thereof. I on the other hand think it's one of the major differentiating points between residential and business class service. You then changed the argument to something else and won that new argument.
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said by iansltx:No 250GB cap on business. There were reports (sporadic, maybe one, do not remember) of business subscribers getting "the call". The TOS talks about a cal, although the amount is not specified. In that, it is similar to the cap on residential that "did not exist" prior to the FL AG episode. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Won't argue with you on that. However the cap is significantly higher than residential service, and expected considering cable is a shared medium. |
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IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | reply to iansltx
I think I've been very consistent... I don't think I've changed my argument at all.
The added features of the business tier cost whatever they do... and if you say the cost of bandwidth is cheap, then I completely agree.
Why the cap for business is so much higher (10-12 times higher perhaps) for nearly the same price after the cost of these "features" are removed is very clear to me...
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"We're going to start at one end of (Fallujah), and we're not going to stop until we get to the other. If there's anybody left when that happens, we're going to turn around and we're going to go back and finish it."
Lt. Col. Pete Newell: 1st Inf. US Army |
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