 IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | reply to damonlab
Re: Only for bundles? Knowing Comcast, this will probably count against the 250GB usage cap... |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| 250GB is a soft cap, for the fiftieth time.
Also, if they didn't count it against the cap everyone would be whining about Net Neutrality. You can't win.
Personally, I'd be happy paying a monthly fee to access at least some of the TV Everywhere content, without Comcast cable. I have a computer that I can hook up to my HDTV, so I don't need an STB etc... |
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IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | Who cares if it's a soft cap? I'm sure that cap feels pretty "hard" when you hit it.
What the hell does this have to do with Net Neutrality? Fios could offer this service and it's not a Net Neutrality issue.... oh wait... Fios doesn't have a cap... |
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bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA | Of course it is a Net Neutrality issue. Comcast must treat all IP traffic the same, even though this service is a connection to their own service. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Comcast
| reply to IPPlanMan
As bicker said, of course it's a net neutrality issue. Comcast would then be prioritizing third-party networks' content over other third-party networks' content by having a "cap free" zone that is only accessed via an agreement between cable customers, Comcast and TV channel operators.
About the cap being hard, again I've gone over 250GB and haven't heard anything from Comcast. They aren't charging for overages and they won't kill your connection outright on one offense. Additionally, the streaming media on TV Everywhere probably won't be high-quality enough to make the cap even come into play.
That said, I'd love a fiber optic connection to the home with no caps and high throughput. However people are talking about Comcast like it's...I dunno...Ma Bell 2.0. They can't do anything right, etc. etc. etc. Which totally disregards the fact that they're the largest cable provider in the US to launch DOCSIS 3 service (and the largest cable provider period). They'll be the second cable provider (and the second non-muni provider by the way) to offer 100 Mbps download speeds on a connection costing less than $500 per month. Despite what people say, service is actually decent in many of their area and I'd much rather have their service than, say, Time Warner Cable's at this point, though TWC is cheaper. |
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i wonder how much bandwidth a tv digital tv subsciber is using they they watched 24x7x30 free hd on demand programs. that is they use bandwidth that others cannot share. they are watching their own channel... if we did the math is comcast favoring cable tv customers over internet users.
for example how much bandwidth is used up by a 2 hr hd 1080p movie...???
when i googled i got
regular DVD runs at about 6-8Mbps
netfix hd is 8-10Mbps, so its not really hd
near hd is about 20Mbps (experimental not available for streaming over web)
blueray hd is about 54Mbps-72Mbps (not available for streaming over web)
so lets take the 8-10Mbps and multiply it out for a month and see how much bandwidth cable tv people can use.
keep in minnd when comcast customer pay for tv they are not using up bandwidth, comcast also has to pay for the content. the show/movie they are watching... i'm not deducting that from the bill.
for the lowest 6Mbps: 30 day / month
= 750.00 KB/s
= 732.42 KiB/s
= 45.00 MB/min
= 6.00 Mbps
= 2.70 GB/h
- K M G
bps: 6.00 Mbps
B/s: 750.00 KB/s 0.75 MB/s
B/min: 45.00 MB/min 0.05 GB/min
iB/s: 732.42 KiB/s 0.72 MiB/s
K M G T
B/hr: 2.70 GB/h
B/day: 64.80 GB/d 0.06 TB/d
B/mon: 1.94 TB/m
»web.forret.com/tools/bandwidth.a···nit=Mbps
Day Week Month Year
6 Mbps = 64.8 GB 453.6 GB 1.94 TB 23.33 TB
»blog.neds.com/blog/tabid/51329/b···art.aspx
wow i'm being ripped, taken for a ride, I pay $62.95/m for internet than digital starter is $60.60/m. ok there is also $42.95/m for internet, 15MBps which would work. They get 1.94TB/month and I only get 256GB/month, plus comcast has to pay for what they watch and they dont have to pay for the websites i go to.. where is the government... know i know that comcast has to pay someone when it leaves their network, but they also get credits for traffic that they carry for others. i guess to be totally fair we have to estimate and calculate that, but the numbers are shocking. FCC/FTC take that.
so lets do some more math
taking the $42.95/m for internet vs $60.60/m for digital started
1.94TB = 1940GB
$0.17/gb for internet user
$0.03/gb for tv users.
now i want to cry for my mommy.
please correct me if im wrong, if my math is wrong. or if you have better number
enlighten us... |
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 joebarnhartPaxio evangelist
join:2005-12-15
Santa Clara, CA | The only mistake I see in your analysis is you didn't consider encoding efficiency. Transmitted HDTV is encoded as an MPEG2 Transport Stream while Netflix and many others use MPEG4 because it offers higher efficiency. So while a 1080i program over the air uses 16M bits/sec the same quality could be broadcast via MPEG4 at something like 4-8M bits/sec. |
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 RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:2 | reply to IPPlanMan
said by IPPlanMan:Knowing Comcast, this will probably count against the 250GB usage cap... I would expect it to go against the 250GB usage cap.. not because "knowing Comcast" is the excuse, but rather, it would violate network neutrality.
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IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | Please clear this up then....
Why does Comcast Phone Service not count against the cap, but Vonage does? |
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bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA | reply to iansltx
said by iansltx:However people are talking about Comcast like it's...I dunno...Ma Bell 2.0. Excellent example, and to be clear, my perspectives were greatly affected by the fact that I was there at "Ma Bell" in the time after divestiture, and it was shocking how unfairly we were regarded by mass-market consumers regarding residential service. It was still the very early dawn of rapacious entitlement mentality, though, back then, and so I really am blown-away sometimes by how self-centered some consumers are with regard to service providers today.
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bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA | reply to IPPlanMan
The cap applies to High Speed Internet service only. |
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RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:2 | reply to IPPlanMan
said by IPPlanMan:Please clear this up then.... Why does Comcast Phone Service not count against the cap, but Vonage does? Because Comcast phone service is not VOIP! The voice packets NEVER go onto the public Internet and always remain on Comcast's private network.
Comcast Digital Voice is that, digital voice. Vonage is VOIP.
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 aaronwtPremium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
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4 edits | reply to ihavetaknow
Many early Blu-ray Disc titles are only 19mbs MPEG2.
No BD has a bitrate of 54mbs.
Most BDs are between 20mbs and 35mbs using MPEG4 or VC1.
said by ihavetaknow :i wonder how much bandwidth a tv digital tv subsciber is using they they watched 24x7x30 free hd on demand programs. that is they use bandwidth that others cannot share. they are watching their own channel... if we did the math is comcast favoring cable tv customers over internet users. for example how much bandwidth is used up by a 2 hr hd 1080p movie...??? when i googled i got regular DVD runs at about 6-8Mbps netfix hd is 8-10Mbps, so its not really hd near hd is about 20Mbps (experimental not available for streaming over web) blueray hd is about 54Mbps-72Mbps (not available for streaming over web) so lets take the 8-10Mbps and multiply it out for a month and see how much bandwidth cable tv people can use. keep in minnd when comcast customer pay for tv they are not using up bandwidth, comcast also has to pay for the content. the show/movie they are watching... i'm not deducting that from the bill. for the lowest 6Mbps: 30 day / month = 750.00 KB/s = 732.42 KiB/s = 45.00 MB/min = 6.00 Mbps = 2.70 GB/h - K M G bps: 6.00 Mbps B/s: 750.00 KB/s 0.75 MB/s B/min: 45.00 MB/min 0.05 GB/min iB/s: 732.42 KiB/s 0.72 MiB/s K M G T B/hr: 2.70 GB/h B/day: 64.80 GB/d 0.06 TB/d B/mon: 1.94 TB/m » web.forret.com/tools/bandwidth.a···nit=Mbps Day Week Month Year 6 Mbps = 64.8 GB 453.6 GB 1.94 TB 23.33 TB » blog.neds.com/blog/tabid/51329/b···art.aspxwow i'm being ripped, taken for a ride, I pay $62.95/m for internet than digital starter is $60.60/m. ok there is also $42.95/m for internet, 15MBps which would work. They get 1.94TB/month and I only get 256GB/month, plus comcast has to pay for what they watch and they dont have to pay for the websites i go to.. where is the government... know i know that comcast has to pay someone when it leaves their network, but they also get credits for traffic that they carry for others. i guess to be totally fair we have to estimate and calculate that, but the numbers are shocking. FCC/FTC take that. so lets do some more math taking the $42.95/m for internet vs $60.60/m for digital started 1.94TB = 1940GB $0.17/gb for internet user $0.03/gb for tv users. now i want to cry for my mommy. please correct me if im wrong, if my math is wrong. or if you have better number enlighten us... |
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said by iansltx:However people are talking about Comcast like it's...I dunno...Ma Bell 2.0. They can't do anything right, etc. etc. etc. Maybe if they didn't act like Ma Bell 2.0 their customers wouldn't think they are Ma Bell 2.0. |
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said by bicker:said by iansltx:However people are talking about Comcast like it's...I dunno...Ma Bell 2.0. Excellent example, and to be clear, my perspectives were greatly affected by the fact that I was there at "Ma Bell" in the time after divestiture, and it was shocking how unfairly we were regarded by mass-market consumers regarding residential service. It was still the very early dawn of rapacious entitlement mentality, though, back then, and so I really am blown-away sometimes by how self-centered some consumers are with regard to service providers today. Are you kidding? US Consumers pay more per month for less service than many other countries in the world.
For God's sake, Slovenia offers 100/10 fiber service for 20 Euro/month. You can get 100-160mbps fiber in Korea for ~$20/month. 1gbps will be the *standard* in Korea by 2012.
We're self-centered? How many years have these ISPs made billions upon billions of dollars? Just how fat are their bank accounts? If they had been spending all those billions in profit year after year on expanding their network, we'd have a top 5 national telecommunications infrastructure.
Heck, if the telcos hadn't illegally swindled the US populace out of $200 billion, the entire country would be wired with fiber, providing at a *minimum* symmetrical 45 mbps service.
Instead, these incumbents stole that money, spent it on building out their wireless networks, and have turned that into a major cash cow. And yet looking at the wireless providers' services, national coverage is absolutely pathetic. In Sweden the government mandates 99% of the entire territory be covered. This includes the incredibly sparsely populated northern section of the country. You can go *anywhere* and you'll have perfect coverage.
In the US... well I don't need to remind you how bad it is.
I think consumers expect decent service for a decent price. We're not even asking for the ultra-competitive markets present in many other countries. We just don't want to be treated like bovine. How is that self-centered? |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Comcast
| Korea and Sweden both get government subsidies for broadband. True, AT&T et al did as well, but Comcast has gotten no such thing.
Personally, I'd rather my internet bill be $20 higher per month than my tax bill being $600 higher per year.
If you want to build your own network as a private entity, there's nothing stopping you, though if you want to go wireless you have to fight for spectrum with everyone else. If you want to lay out cash for fiber, heave at it. |
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Have you ever exceeded your cap? Most likely not so for the millionth time get i=over the fact there is a cap! |
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MRCUR
join:2007-03-09
Columbia, PA | reply to IPPlanMan
As Rob said, Comcast's phone service isn't VoIP. If that's your only argument against Comcast wrongly throwing their services under the cap or violating network neutrality, the argument just doesn't work. |
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sorry, i cut n pasted the wrong one. i'm so blind. please disregard my duplicate posting, hopefully moderators will catch and kill it. sorry, i'll do 100 situps. |
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bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA | reply to sonicmerlin
Absolutely. Your message confirmed what I wrote. Thanks for playing your role very well.
said by sonicmerlin:How many years have these ISPs made billions upon billions of dollars? Just how fat are their bank accounts? Have you checked your 401(k)'s recently? I checked mine. There are at least four ISPs in it.
Or are you one of those people thinking you're going to retire on Social Security.  |
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