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 wa2ibmPremium
join:2000-10-10
San Jose, CA
 ·SONIC.NET
| Although Sonic uses AT&T copper, they are a CLEC and have their own equipment at the CO. Thus their Fusion product isn't a wholesale reselling of AT&T DSL circuits, although they offer that as well.
Additionally, Sonic's AUP allows servers. Try that on a residential cable account. Another big advantage of Sonic over AT&T is their customer service with local folks that know what they're talking about. |
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| it is a worthless product. It depends on copper.
When ATT started shoving out VDSL this board was pissed off. this company does it and people are sooo happy to have them.
This company is a sinking ship and will be. ATT will kill them when they take out the Copper.
I can run servers on my residential cable. NEO doesn't care. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | TWC "doesn't care" but it's against their TOS.
As far as copper goes, when AT&T rolls out fiber they roll out fiber. Where they have copper it'll be a LONG time before they overbuild fiber. Sonic is using the copper because it's there... |
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·AT&T DSL Service
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said by hottboiinnc:it is a worthless product. It depends on copper. You have to start somewhere.
We can't just go from "nothing" to like "Full awesomeness Fiber to the Home"
No independent ISP could ever just do it. However, over time, you can grow and build out.
The whole point behind the now destroyed and gutted TA1996 act was to create new companies that could get into communications via line sharing and last mile access, and then over time build out and grow their own networks and end user telecommunications. If we'd done this, we'd be like Japan is now.
But no.... we just couldn't do something that smart. No enforcement and eventually a almost total gutting of the act destroyed our Tech future for a long time to come.
Sonic.net, much like Teksavvy, is an example of a company that does things right even when people are throwing sand in their face or Bell is trying to kick them in the teeth.
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | You could go from zero to fiber directly, however it's expensive, and if you can get 30/2 out of DSL for a good number of customers for less than $1000 per home, why not? |
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NEO says that i can host a server as long as its for personal use. NEO does what they want and doesn't care. |
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The TA1996 was there to GIVE the companies a line to use WHILE they built their own network. After all THESE SAME COMPANIES DID NOT build out like they were required to and now whine and cry when something gets changed.
And starting some where? ADSL? Com'on a worthless product. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to hottboiinnc
What's your upload speed? |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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said by hottboiinnc:The TA1996 was there to GIVE the companies a line to use WHILE they built their own network. That was the plan. It never was even allowed to bear fruit. It was sent to a quick and nasty death. Many companies were destroyed who had been tricked by TA1996 into thinking the regulatory landscape would protect them and allow them to grow.
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1 edit | No NOTHING stopped the ISPs from building out. They waited until the last minute to worry about anything. That's when they were told line share would be SOL within the XX amount of time the FCC gave it.
Now they want to build out. It shows that when you let them leach off the actual provider's network they'll do it until they can't and then still do.
RTs are the way to go for ATT's network.
VZ just needs to keep building out FiOS and kicking more and more ISPs out. Hell DSLX will be off their network soon. |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service
| Your revisionist history is amazing. I watched as companies who were right in the middle of buildouts burned in flames.
Even just 2 - 3 more years and they'd of been off and running.
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