DMWCincy
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Re: College Football
said by jmn1207  :Nobody likes the BCS except a few money hungry elites. Nearly everyone wants a playoff system, except the mid-majors that don't want to lose their argument that they belong in a championship discussion. A playoff system gives teams like Boise State less of a chance than they currently enjoy. I kind of disagree with that. Being a mid-major as you put it...UC get shafted a lot by the press. Watch ESPN. All top 10 teams got a good amount of play on the highlights at the end of the day. I think UC got a few lines and that was it. UC does not get respect and does not get the love from ESPN. All that does is play down the success they have had the last three years or so building the team up. I would gladly welcome a playoff system where we dont have to depend on someone's opinions and instead depend on our play on the field. |
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vasta
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I will take that action on Florida and Alabama because both can without a doubt beat any of the 3 teams (TCU/Cinc and Boise)
Not sure who the other top 3 team is, Texas? They can probably beat all 3 also
If Florida makes it past Alabama and gets in and they face 1 of the 3, I'll take teh action, If Alabama gets in and faces 1 of the 3, I'll take teh action
Just for the record, Cincinnati's record: 536–541–51....
TCU's: 545–509–57 (.517)
Boise's: 347-143-2 (I think)
Florida's record is acceptable (as Boises' is)
Alabama: 806–316–43, That is domination |
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DMWCincy
join:2004-04-27
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| said by vasta :dogma I will take that action on Florida and Alabama because both can without a doubt beat any of the 3 teams (TCU/Cinc and Boise) Not sure who the other top 3 team is, Texas? They can probably beat all 3 also If Florida makes it past Alabama and gets in and they face 1 of the 3, I'll take teh action, If Alabama gets in and faces 1 of the 3, I'll take teh action Just for the record, Cincinnati's record: 536–541–51.... TCU's: 545–509–57 (.517) Boise's: 347-143-2 (I think) Florida's record is acceptable (as Boises' is) Alabama: 806–316–43, That is domination I love listen to people like you. All you want to worry about is history. I hate to tell you this but 100 yrs of history isn't going to make a bad team any better or a good team any worse. Each year players leave and new players take their place. Unlike Pro teams that keep a bulk of their talent for a good number of years College teams are always in a state of flux. All history does for a team is allows them to recruit better and have a higher BCS ranking in the beginning of the year(please note Ohio State in the second half of this comment).
Yes UC doesn't have the history and yes UC is a mid major at this point in time. What you fail to notice is that thanks to the last three-four years and especially under Brian Kelly UC has done a better and better job at recruiting. This team is good. Is it great yet...no but its working on it. I totally agree with your first half of the post where Florida or Alabama or even Texas could probably take it to UC, Boise, and TCU. But when you bring in the history of the program all that does is show that your another history fanboy and one that wants to ignore the facts of today. |
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vasta
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1 edit | I was posting the records for the record, Your entire post went unread, I wasn't implying because a team that has won over 500 games and lost just as many sucks, I just posted it because
When I win money from Dogma (guessing he was talking about that and serious about it) I wanted everything out there |
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Solid_Snake
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said by jmn1207 :Give us a break, nobody forgot about this game. It's heralded as one of the most shocking upsets in modern college football. Why do you think everyone was so shocked? its only heralded by uniformed viewers as the most shocking upsets.. truth be told people that know teams/games aka linesmakers, only had Oklahoma favored by 8.5 in that game.. to win a game as an 8.5 point dog isn't shocking at all to me, heck tonight the cardinals were 9 point dogs and won was anyone shocked tonight??
im in favor of having all the bowl games then have now but out of the major bowls (4 majors) orange/sugar/fiesta/rose have an 8 team playoff with those teams.. would only add 2 weeks to the season have the winner of the orange play the winner of the sugar, then fiesta vs rose.. then a "truer" championship..
i do feel bad cause teams like boise and tcu get the short end of he stick cause of a weak schedule, but these teams try to increase the difficulty by going to other colleges but the bcs colleges have not reason to play a team like boise for fear of losing, why make the schedule harder than you have to when the bcs give you an automatic bid..
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said by pro7070 :Any ranked SEC school including South Carolina, Ol Miss, or even unranked Tennessee would beat Boise St, Cincy, or TCU. i wouldn't take ol miss vs boise st. cincy or tcu on a neutral field
and i wouldn't take SC vs. Boise or TCU on neutral field
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said by DMWCincy :said by vasta :dogma I will take that action on Florida and Alabama because both can without a doubt beat any of the 3 teams (TCU/Cinc and Boise) Not sure who the other top 3 team is, Texas? They can probably beat all 3 also If Florida makes it past Alabama and gets in and they face 1 of the 3, I'll take teh action, If Alabama gets in and faces 1 of the 3, I'll take teh action Just for the record, Cincinnati's record: 536–541–51.... TCU's: 545–509–57 (.517) Boise's: 347-143-2 (I think) Florida's record is acceptable (as Boises' is) Alabama: 806–316–43, That is domination I love listen to people like you. All you want to worry about is history. I hate to tell you this but 100 yrs of history isn't going to make a bad team any better or a good team any worse. Each year players leave and new players take their place. Unlike Pro teams that keep a bulk of their talent for a good number of years College teams are always in a state of flux. All history does for a team is allows them to recruit better and have a higher BCS ranking in the beginning of the year(please note Ohio State in the second half of this comment). Yes UC doesn't have the history and yes UC is a mid major at this point in time. What you fail to notice is that thanks to the last three-four years and especially under Brian Kelly UC has done a better and better job at recruiting. This team is good. Is it great yet...no but its working on it. I totally agree with your first half of the post where Florida or Alabama or even Texas could probably take it to UC, Boise, and TCU. But when you bring in the history of the program all that does is show that your another history fanboy and one that wants to ignore the facts of today. UC is not a mid major, Big east is not mid major.. if they go undefeated and texas somehow drops a game there is a very good chance they will play in the national title game.. just like WVU would have if they didn't lose to pittsburg a few years ago at the last game of the season, it would have been WVU stomping a mudhole in ohio state instead of florida
*forgot to add iowa would also have to lose at the horseshoe which is very possible
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dogma
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2 edits | said by Solid_Snake :UC is not a mid major, Big east is not mid major.. When it comes to football, the B-EAST is the competitive equivalent to a mid-major. Hoops is a totally different story, generally the BE has 5 or 6 at the big dance.
The BE was never attached to a bowl game unlike all of the other BCS conferences either. However, as a BCS member, you are correct, they would probably get a title bid over a non-BCS squad.
said by vasta :...I just posted it because When I win money from Dogma (guessing he was talking about that and serious about it) I wanted everything out there Hey, posting historical percentages? That's a great idea:
The four non-BCS teams to have appeared in BCS bowls are:
W • Utah, MWC — defeated Pittsburgh 35–7 in the 2005 Fiesta Bowl
W • Boise State, WAC — defeated Oklahoma 43–42 in overtime in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl
L • Hawaii, WAC — lost to Georgia 41–10 in the 2008 Sugar Bowl
W • Utah, MWC — defeated Alabama 31–17 in the 2009 Sugar Bowl Correct me if I'm mistaken, but that is a .750 whup-ass winning percentage right?
Just to clarify, my beer wager is if 2 non-BCS teams are in the top 10 (like Boise and TCU are now), and if they play against any top 10 BCS team, in any bowl game, AND if Cincinnati is still top 10 ranked as well -- I'm taking I'm taking a 2 out of 3 team parlay: 2 wins minimum if this situation arises.
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jmn1207
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said by Solid_Snake :i do feel bad cause teams like boise and tcu get the short end of he stick cause of a weak schedule, but these teams try to increase the difficulty by going to other colleges but the bcs colleges have not reason to play a team like boise for fear of losing, why make the schedule harder than you have to when the bcs give you an automatic bid.. The is the only thing I take issue with is the attempt to make it seem like the big schools are afraid to ruin their chance at winning a championship by risking a game against a Boise State or Utah. This is simply not true.
The only fear is the amount of money that would be lost. The players, most coaches, and practically all of the fans want to see tough games and potential big rivalries started. Unfortunately, the people that get to make the scheduling decisions care more about their pocketbooks than the spirit of competition or a fair system that rewards the best teams for their efforts on the field, and not in some speculative fantasy world the current BCS has become.
The big teams normally either split ticket sales or come to some guaranteed agreement in revenue distribution, and a home and away series only makes sense if both teams can offer similar profits, either by equaling the ticket sales or by giving a sum of money that is fair to the larger school. If such a deal is impossible to create, than an offer to play all games at the bigger school or a neutral field is the next best option. Sadly, they have to make their money above everything else.
Boise State REFUSED to play some of the bigger schools because they wanted to play home and away, which makes them just as much money as they would normally make, and probably even more with the TV coverage. For teams like Florida and Texas, they would lose millions. The players would love to go try and beat down a team in cool weather on a blue carpet, but the people controlling the scheduling destiny won't let this happen.
Should Texas or Florida care? Boise State is the team that wants to make a bigger name for themselves. Texas and Florida can probably get to the BCS championship game every other season with one loss on their record. There is no benefit to these teams to take the significant hit in their finances, which is very competitive with the other big schools.
It's up to Boise State to make a change. Oregon's football program make about 3 times that of Boise State, whereas Texas makes 10 times that amount. It's just too much money to give up for Texas. Every week counts, and the teams they are competing with for recruits and TV contracts are in a similar situation. One home game at Texas nets the school nearly as much money as Boise State makes all season. Boise State won't budge on their firm commitment to a home and away series. I believe they are simply being shrewd and wish to maintain the current status, as it serves them well.
In a playoff series, Boise State's excellent preparedness after a long layoff would not be a factor, and they do not have the roster depth to compete in a consecutive series of tough games against bigger, faster, and stronger opponents. After a few playoff years, the odds are that Boise State's reputation would be damaged as compared to what they enjoy now under the flawed BCS system. It's like a conspiracy theory, nobody has any proof that Boise State isn't better than the major conference powerhouses, so people will continue to make the claim that they are just as good and deserving of a shot at the title every year. If a playoff system definitively shows the world that their conference is not competitive, the team will most likely suffer financially and competitively.
The majority of the odds makers, coaches, and sports writers agree that the mid-major schools should not be in a championship game just because they go undefeated, otherwise we would have seen a championship game that included one of these teams.
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said by dogma : Hoops is a totally different story, generally the BE has 5 or 6 at the big dance. easy to get 5 or 6 when you have 16 fucking teams in your conference
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dogma
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said by jmn1207 :The is the only thing I take issue with ... Well said, and I agree with the first 5 paragraphs.
Because of their successes, Boise, Utah, BYU, TCU are now much more competitive in recruiting. They are getting 3 star recruits now. Not the 5 star blue chippers like USC, OU, LSU and Florida teams, but better than they did 5-6 years ago.
Don't you think that non-BCS teams would benefit from better recruiting over time if they could tell guys that they had a fair shot at everything a LSU does? Plus they could spend more on recruiting as well. Therefore over time, they too would become competitive on the field with the above named elite squads? .
Also, Boise has little incentive to continue to be a big fish in a little WAC pond. All the boats rise with the tide. If the WAC is strong, there would be more revenue. If there is more revenue, there is more scholarships for other programs. Everyone gets a lift.
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jmn1207
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| said by dogma :Don't you think that non-BCS teams would benefit from better recruiting over time if they could tell guys that they had a fair shot at everything a LSU does? Yes, I absolutely agree. The problem is that the major conferences that have control will not easily relinquish their grip, and they appear to be too short-sighted to see that this would benefit all of college football in the end.
We see the same situation in Wall Street. Nobody has any patience and they demand instant returns on their investments. Too often, this behavior is not in the best interest for long term success in any given industry. College football is a business, or at least an integral part of several different businesses, and it suffers the same fate as many other industries.
I read that Boise State will be expanding their stadium to 50,000+ soon. They were able to do this because of their recent success. Perhaps this will allow for more teams to seriously consider a fair, home and away series with the Broncos. |
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A bowl projection is out - What say you...?
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1 edit | said by e_dub :Iowa is trying their best to become 8-1. Their QB Stanzi is having a tough time. 4 INTs in his last 8 passes.
BUT then his next 2 passes .. 92 yards & 66 yards TD's |
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vasta
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dogma
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| said by vasta :blahahah @ USC That was an ass waxing. Couldn't have happened to a better BCS pretender: "U. S.uC.k"
Looks like Texas will be playing Florida in the BCS title game.
The big question now is will the BCS have the gall to jump Oregon (who may play Iowa in the Rose as a #3 vs. #4 match) above TCU and Boise who beat them?? |
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Teams I look forward to lose next week: Cincinnati, Florida. UConn will beat Cinci. They will be overly PISSED over the outcome of this weeks game and come out swinging against a Cincinnati team that is untested.
I really REALLY don't want to watch Cinci get drilled in a BCS bowl this year.
As for Florida, they're due for a loss. Doesn't matter to whom. |
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vasta
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Edge1
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Penn State kinda slept thru the first 3 quarters. Disappointing. Next week will be big. |
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