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firephoto
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Re: Not Alone.

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Speak plainly: Make your accusation; make it explicit; refer directly to what promise or law is being violated -- OR admit that all it is is that you just don't like what's going on.
Who said it has to be a law? Guess what, people don't like this because the guy making billions wants to make more by getting rid of employees. It makes all the dead weight sitting back and doing NO work and only collecting money from part of the problem. The laws need to be changed, the "for the investors" crap needs to stop. Give a company 5 years to be profitable (real profits not left bocket vs right pocket money) and pay back all in vestors plus interest of some sort and send them off on their own to succeed with their own revenue. Make the company stand on it's products or services and not some day to day good feeling of who is buying into their bullshit.

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yeah there's a great idea... we wouldn't have anywhere close to half of the products you and I enjoy everyday if it weren't for investors! Who do you think helped verizon pay for their fios network? Do you think this stuff all just happens with magic? People, and companies, need investors so they can fund massive products and projects just like fios... by the way, who do think is "this guy making billions?" Its actually A VERY LARGE group of everyday people like you and me investing in stocks and mutual funds!!!

bUU
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said by firephoto:

said by bUU:

Speak plainly: Make your accusation; make it explicit; refer directly to what promise or law is being violated -- OR admit that all it is is that you just don't like what's going on.
Who said it has to be a law?
Read what you were replying to, again...
said by firephoto:

Guess what, people don't like this because the guy making billions wants to make more by getting rid of employees.
Which guy? What is his name? The reality is that there are tens of thousands of "guys" collectively making billions. And some of us are probably among them. Here's a clue: The company is supposed to be making money for the investors. That's why the investors have invested their money there. If the investors wanted to give money to charity, then they would have given the money to a charity!
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It makes all the dead weight sitting back and doing NO work and only collecting money from part of the problem.
Investors worked very hard for the money that they invested. Most investors actually are investing the salary that they're making from the WORK THAT THEY DO.
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The laws need to be changed, the "for the investors" crap needs to stop.
Sorry, but socialism isn't acceptable to many of us. (Or are you going to try to hide your comment here behind some feigned claim that you weren't talking about socialism? )

firephoto
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said by bUU:

Sorry, but socialism isn't acceptable to many of us. (Or are you going to try to hide your comment here behind some feigned claim that you weren't talking about socialism? )
So what you're saying is that if a company can make money, use that money to expand and make more money, without investors, they are a socialist company? Did I miss anything there? Are you going to ask me to show you my George W. Bush dart board next?

bUU
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said by firephoto:

So what you're saying is that if a company can make money, use that money to expand and make more money, without investors, they are a socialist company?
First, no one said that. If you have a problem with what I wrote, argue against what I wrote not some inane perversion of it that you find easier to argue against. Second, which company are you referring to, without investors, making more profit (for whom, by the way)? Be specific. Prove your point; don't weasel out.

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said by bUU:

said by firephoto:

So what you're saying is that if a company can make money, use that money to expand and make more money, without investors, they are a socialist company?
First, no one said that. If you have a problem with what I wrote, argue against what I wrote not some inane perversion of it that you find easier to argue against. Second, which company are you referring to, without investors, making more profit (for whom, by the way)? Be specific. Prove your point; don't weasel out.
So now your grand idea of the world includes the belief that there is NO business that exists without investors? get a clue or /logout like someone else mentioned already.

bUU
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Again, no one said that. If you have a problem with what I wrote, argue against what I wrote not some inane perversion of it that you find easier to argue against. Second, which company are you referring to, without investors, making more profit (for whom, by the way)? Be specific. Prove your point; don't weasel out.

firephoto
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said by bUU:

Again, no one said that. If you have a problem with what I wrote, argue against what I wrote not some inane perversion of it that you find easier to argue against. Second, which company are you referring to, without investors, making more profit (for whom, by the way)? Be specific. Prove your point; don't weasel out.
So I'm not your little weasle.

Lets see, this week I did some work, someone wrote me a check, I made money, I have no investors, seems like profit. More work means more checks and more zeros on the end and more profit. See the pattern here? Kind of amazing isn't it?

Waiting for your next smart remark to twist things in another direction to try to disprove that a company can't exist without investors.

bUU
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Duh. You're your own investor, bub.

I suppose now you think every cable company should be just one guy getting checks from subscribers and stringing his own cables around a state.

firephoto
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said by bUU:

Duh. You're your own investor, bub.

I suppose now you think every cable company should be just one guy getting checks from subscribers and stringing his own cables around a state.
Wow, you're really desperate to be correct. I'd guess the cable co. guy that's the owner would... hire employees! That was a hard one to figure out.

... Quit pretending to take things so literally, you're not helping your non-point much. Verizon is cutting jobs so they can make more money, you like that kind of business, I think those types are the scum of the earth. They fire the ones that put in their time only to hire a throw away employee that can always be replaced with another skilless person and the cycle repeats. It's called taking advantage of people and making sure they themselves can't get ahead.

Local business, owes a million or so to various people that gave them credit for purchased goods locally... Now they're buying out another business and all signs point to them not having paid the existing bills yet. Would you call all these people who are owed money "investors" now?
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said by bUU:

Sorry, but socialism isn't acceptable to many of us. (Or are you going to try to hide your comment here behind some feigned claim that you weren't talking about socialism? )
Our system of laws, the court system, all the way up to the Supreme Court is a sort of socialist system which balances the free market capitalism, enforcing contracts and protecting public goods. The court system, as far as providing a product, is a socialist system. It certainly isn't free-market capititalism or a democracy, judges are appointed and their salaries are paid for by the government.

You actually have no idea what a truly capitalist environment would be like. The horrors you would experience would scar your already cold heart forever.

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I'm not "desperate" to be correct. I am correct. What kind of idiocy are you playing with to think people would post things that they think aren't correct.

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yeah there's a great idea... we wouldn't have anywhere close to half of the products you and I enjoy everyday if it weren't for investors! Who do you think helped verizon pay for their fios network? Do you think this stuff all just happens with magic? People, and companies, need investors so they can fund massive products and projects just like fios... by the way, who do think is "this guy making billions?" Its actually A VERY LARGE group of everyday people like you and me investing in stocks and mutual funds!!!
Precisely.

Folks, Verizon is publicly traded (NYSE - VZ). That means the largest stockholders (basically anyone with five percent or more of the voting stock) are a matter of *public record*. (The details can be had from the SEC for the asking.) The biggest stockholders (and bondholders) of VZ are mostly pension plans (the largest institutional stockholder in VZ; in fact, the single largest shareholder, is the California Public Employees' Retirement System, or CalPERS; this pension plan covers not just employees of the state of California from Gov. Schwarznegger to CHP patrol officers to the janitors in the state house in Sacramento, but a majority of California's counties and municipalities that don't have pension plans of their own also participate in CalPERS). CalPERS isn't just the single largest VZ stockholder; they also own a large amount of VZ debt, as well. Almost right behind CalPERS is the pension plan of New York State employees. (Here's one horrifying fact - most of the employees and retirees in both pension plans are also union; specifically, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.)

In a roundabout way, the very folks responsible for the job cuts among the VZ union labor force are also union members (via those pension plans that invest in telco and cable stock *and* their senior debt because they pay better than Treasuries and are nearly as safe).

Would you rather restrict *all* pension plans to buying Treasuries and municipal bonds? (Until the development of the Thrift Savings Plan, the federal governement employees' pension plans (both the original Civil Service Retirement System and the newer Federal Employees' Retirement System) were restricted to buying Treasuries by law.)

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You sir need to move to China and you will find the government you desire.