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cdru
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Re: If DirecTV can lock up NFL Sunday Ticket; turnaround fair

said by fifty nine:

The fiber buildout was built upon the backs of property owners, who were forced to give up easement rights for Verizon et al to run fiber.
Baloney. Property owners in most cases didn't give up anything as the fiber was ran in existing easements. A few might have given up a few square feet of their property for a pedestal or a cabinet, but it was in an easement to begin with so there was always an expectation that something could go there. If a homeowner expected that nothing ever would happen in a utility easement, that's there fault.

If you think it's easy to run/bury fiber, think again. It's lots of red tape, and Verizon et al have a head start because of the taxpayer subsidized telephone industry.
I know it's not easy. I know it's expensive and labor intensive. But there are numerous instances where private companies have done it or municipalities too...something other then giant telcos.

Make no mistake, fiber deployment was funded by taxpayers, at the very least indirectly. They should share the network, no ifs ands or buts.
Please point to evidence of where FiOS (or U-Verse) is directly or indirectly paid for by government funds that came from taxpayers.

sonicmerlin

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But there are numerous instances where private companies have done it or municipalities too...something other then giant telcos.
But then you come here complaining about the ability for private corporations to compete with municipal projects.

As for taxpayers indirectly funding fiber layout, a significant chunk of Verizon's profits come from its wireless division. They happened to acquire the money they used to lay out their wireless network by swindling it from the government with false promises of a nationwide fiber network.


cdru
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said by sonicmerlin:

But then you come here complaining about the ability for private corporations to compete with municipal projects.
I don't think I've ever posted a comment complaining about that. I have absolutely no problem with a municipal stepping in and providing a service that telcos or cable companies can't or won't provide as long as the business plan is economically viable and self supporting. I'm never in favor of having to pay more for water or garbage collection to subsidize my neighbor watch ESPN or checking his email across a 50mbit fiber connection.

Muni deployments such as Greenlight in Wilson, NC I have no problems with.

As for taxpayers indirectly funding fiber layout, a significant chunk of Verizon's profits come from its wireless division. They happened to acquire the money they used to lay out their wireless network by swindling it from the government with false promises of a nationwide fiber network.
Again I'll repeat my request. Please point to one legitimate source that supports your claim that Verizon has swindled the government in some way to pay for FiOS. I'm not saying that they don't exist. And I'm not saying that there wasn't financial incentives in some markets for Verizon to build out in the form of tax incentives or other non-direct financial support. I'm just saying I have yet to see any evidence that shows anything other the legitimate business and government support between the two sides.

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