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Re: TSI R&V and Stay for UBB now in....

So since they're operating two services, one regulated, one somewhat unregulated, over largely the same infrastructure, should we assume that they still stiff us for 100% of the shared infrastructure costs through the regulated services?

I don't think Bell has come clean in terms of how much of their internet (and cell?) stuff is running through/on their legacy rights of way, copper plant, backbone, easements, COs, etc. but paid for through regulated services (local tel mainly). If Bell is going to start using these spaces for non-tariffed products, they should have to "sell" or "lease" it to these other divisions, and pay us back with the proceeds (how to come up with a price is another story).

1970s: CO 100% utilized for local phone service - All CO expenses recovered through local phone tariffs
1980s/1990s: COs digitized, CO now half empty - All CO expenses recovered through local phone tariffs
Today: CO 1/2 local phone, 1/2 free-market IP services - All CO expenses still recovered through local phone tariffs?

reply to R0CKY
I'll say it and im like most of you , NO WAY IN HELL am i EVER going back to bell canada as a ISP
PERIOD
id rather UGH OMG ALMOST as BAD go to rogers befor ei EVER did that

AND 72 is a legal smack at both bell canada and CRTC who should no better then allow these kinds of things to occure in 1st place.

As the saying goes

YOU CANNOT PLEAD IGNORANCE UNDER THE LAW

and that my dear friends is what they are trying and this is where the whole has some real teeth in giving a supreme court case or multiple ones in TSI's favor of legal case law.

In effect if CRTC upholds it TSI could really really slap both of these two in court.

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reply to Jaser
Since you'll need at least the dry pair or a working POTS line to have DSL, the cost of the copper wire outside of the CO/Remote is covered.

Now $20 is *A LOT* just to cover the DSLAM rental and use of Bell's internal network for my packets. TSI pays for the network connections on those GiE links on the rest of that trip to Front Street .

reply to R0CKY
I think they use the same poles but think of it as a tree line in a rainforest. The higher up is the electrical lines, the ones that are about standard ladder height or lower are the telco lines. The reason is that Telecom service engineer or for any other citizen it's harder for them to reach hot lines ... but the electrical worker from the utilities can bring there cranes and reach the hot lines.

Fiber can run along the electrical lines without interference effecting it, but it runs on the lower levels because of that safety hazard.

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reply to MaynardKrebs

in my area a Victorian neighbourhood near downtown London pretty much everything is overhead wiring. Cable TV and Phone are fed from a mix of Hydro poles and scary looking legacy Bell poles running down the rear of some properties.

Recently Rogers was complaining about the unfair rates London Hydro charges them for pole use IIRC it was somewhere around $22 per annum per pole. I can only assume from this that Bell gets a better deal.

As for the height of communications cable run on Hydro poles IIRC the Code requires them to be a minimum of 6 feet below the lowest electrical conductor.

Vomio

reply to R0CKY
cant be 22$ a pole go count the number of poles on a street
do the electrical,
the out sourced indians costs
and the fat CEO checks
Naaa can't be that rogers is wanting to lower prices to SQUASH bell should they get this UUB stuff ...eh?

reply to R0CKY
ok ok ok and I wont even bother reading through all these posts yet,

and thank you thank you thank you .

Now if any moron has any doubts still to this day how this game is being played. fuck you.

Here is the gist of it, and its fact over fact contradicting bullshit over bullshit. black/white. period.

" (i) an error in law or in fact; "

well its been like that since day one. no facts from the "majority" side. And ignorance from the factual side, well I am sorry, fuck any dumbshit up to this point who dares to even try and argue up to this point.

over up to about 2 years now, the facts have been more than once published in several places all over the net, and the bullshit just as equally distributed. We dont need to understand why people still believe in the Telco's and I wont even give you the answer. Sincerely, If you have not done your own fucking research up to this point, then you must help yourself.

What more can you ask from Rocky. AND he even explicitly said that all of this not only affects him, but ultimately every other DSL wholesaler. But that is hardly the first place to find argument from this important submission.

My point: If the CRTC does not take this submission seriously, then we can WITHOUT A DOUBT conclude they are corrupt.

THEN we can use an analogy SUCH AS:

" 2+2=4! " " No it doesnt ... 2+2=5 "

this is the way the CRTC is making their decisions at this point in my eyes ( and we gave ... )

without basing on logic or facts, they decide on complete fabricated illogical nonsense. -- or else otherwise undisclosed conspiracy theories we would never know ,, ?

*rant done for now*

BUT THANK YOU R0CKS ! =-)

-= DJ

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reply to globus999

said by globus999 Sorry but I disagree. Too little too late. By then UBB will be firmly encroached and TSI out of business. It sucks but such is reality. We are already living on borrowed time.

reply to R0CKY
Thanks rocky

I'm glad I switched to an ISP that isn't just in bed with Bell like my last ISP(b2b2c).

I'm proud to say that since Sept 1st when my service with Teksavvy came online I have also brought over 3 other clients to your service. I know 3 isn't much in relation to how many may leave if this bell thing goes through but its a start.

Hopefully those 3 spread the word aswell.

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said by yokocar:

said by globus999 Sorry but I disagree. Too little too late. By then UBB will be firmly encroached and TSI out of business. It sucks but such is reality. We are already living on borrowed time.

Geez dude. What colour is the sky in your world?? Typical Canadian...roll over and play dead.

LOL