Topic 'Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights' in forum 'W.O.W.' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23016648 en Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:04:57 EDT Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:04:57 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23127273
I notice it mainly during the snap of the ball. It simply stutters for a moment at the snap of the ball..almost like there is too much going on and it's unable to keep up with the action.

I've got a straight coax line in my bedroom going into my TV there and I watched a few weeks ago and didn't have the problem that I was seeing in my livingroom through my WOW SA cable box.

I too have only noticed this problem on Fox HD....all of the other channels are fine. I even tried resetting the cable box, powering it off....even thought for awhile that it might be my external SATA drive that I have connected.

But it looks like this is a far bigger problem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23127273 Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:01:52 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23093522 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23093522 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:28:08 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23091928
That's not what I'm arguing. If Fox is putting out a compliant signal, which it appears that they are, any decoder should be able to handle that signal without issue. If it can't, then it is a problem with the decoder.

I'm coming at this issue with the assumption that the signal is compliant, because all of the evidence I've seen supports that. If that is indeed the case, while Fox could show some goodwill and change things back, they have no obligation to do so. If it's not the case, then Fox needs to fix their encoders to put out compliant signals, period.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23091928 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:42:20 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23091727 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23091727 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:47:57 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23091057 said by imrf:

That's flat out incorrect.Really? I've looked over the ATSC specs. There is a lot of technical stuff in there, but I've never seen anything about SA's STBs being the benchmark for compliance. Would you mind pointing out that part of the spec for me?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23091057 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:02:17 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23091038 said by WOWer :

I never called anyone a liar. I simply said that they were wrong.Sure you did. By saying that they are wrong and aren't seeing the issues that SA boxes have, you're calling them a liar, and also me. I saw it, you didn't.

The signal has been dissected and determined to be compliant.
Not quite. They looked at it, and can't see what may be out of compliance, but there are a few things that are different now than they were with the Tandburg encoders. So don't tell me there isn't anything wrong. That's flat out incorrect.

The rest of your post is pure trolling, so I'm not even going to bother responding. Please grow up.
I suggest you take your own advice. You've done nothing but troll the WOW forum here and have been nothing but a pain in the ass.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23091038 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:50:39 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23087298 said by imrf:

To shut up and quit calling people liars because they see something you can't.I never called anyone a liar. I simply said that they were wrong.
said by imrf:

Apparently they aren't.
The signal has been dissected and determined to be compliant. Standards compliance is not defined by what SA's STBs can handle correctly.

The rest of your post is pure trolling, so I'm not even going to bother responding. Please grow up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23087298 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:36:38 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23087280 said by WOWer :

They're wrong too. No they aren't.

What do you want from me?
To shut up and quit calling people liars because they see something you can't.

Fox is putting out a 100% standards-compliant signal. SA's STBs are unable to handle their 100% standards-compliant signal.
Apparently they aren't.

How is Fox to blame here?
Well, lets see here. No problems were visible before the encoder changeover and now after the new ones are in there are major problems with their live sports feeds. hmmm... doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out that it's a Fox issue. I know it's hard for you to comprehend, I feel really bad for you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23087280 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:36:36 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23080191 said by imrf:

In the thread you posted there were people that said they saw it with their DTV boxes.They're wrong too. What do you want from me?
said by imrf:

I realize that it pains you to admit that Fox is not perfect and has caused a signal issue, but it's the truth. :uhh:
Fox is putting out a 100% standards-compliant signal. SA's STBs are unable to handle their 100% standards-compliant signal. How is Fox to blame here?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23080191 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:52:35 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23080151 said by WOWer :

Anyone who says they've seen this issue on DirecTV is mistaken, period.So just because you don't see it on your DTV box means that no other box from DTV could have this issue? Please. In the thread you posted there were people that said they saw it with their DTV boxes. Nice try though.

I realize that it pains you to admit that these heavenly SA boxes may not be perfect, but it's the truth.
I realize that it pains you to admit that Fox is not perfect and has caused a signal issue, but it's the truth. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23080151 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:10:33 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23061951 said by imrf:

there were people in that thread, just like I said here, that DTV DVRs have seen the issue to.Anyone who says they've seen this issue on DirecTV is mistaken, period. This issue is constant during all Fox Sports programming, and it happens on all SA HD STBs. I'm not saying that there has never been any issue with DirecTV STBs that may have caused a similar output, but this one in particular does not affect them.

It doesn't come and go on the SA boxes, so why would it come and go on DirecTV boxes? It's all the same signal. I realize that it pains you to admit that these heavenly SA boxes may not be perfect, but it's the truth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23061951 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:26:19 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23058702 said by WOWer :

You can blame Fox if you like, but their encoder is still putting out a standards-compliant signal, and no other manufacturers' STBs have trouble with it aside from SA. Seems pretty clear to me that the blame lies with SA on this one.
Seeing as there are more Motorola STBs out there, no kidding that a Motorola encoder will work fine. And yes, there were people in that thread, just like I said here, that DTV DVRs have seen the issue to. So it's not just a SA thing. It's Fox and Motorola up to their usual douchebaggery. There was nothing wrong with the Tandburg encoders they had a few months ago. They did a quick and sloppy job at swapping them out and it's effecting a lot of viewers and making many unhappy.

SA had the same firmware available to their boxes before and after the Fox hack job and the problem cropped up after Fox did something, installed new encoders. SA didn't do anything and it was all fine before. Fox is the one to blame here. You can troll all you want and try to blame SA for it, but the issue wasn't there before Fox screwed with things.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23058702 Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:44:39 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23054808 said by imrf:

Yay for Fox changing encoders!! :uhh: You can blame Fox if you like, but their encoder is still putting out a standards-compliant signal, and no other manufacturers' STBs have trouble with it aside from SA. Seems pretty clear to me that the blame lies with SA on this one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23054808 Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:50:16 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23054169 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23054169 Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:52:24 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23053008
There is a long and active thread over at AVSForum for anyone who wants more information: »www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre···=1163878]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23053008 Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:00:21 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23037285 said by mdh218:

i've noticed when, for me anyway, when it happens the most:

football: press box camera from the 50ish yard line. camera shots from field view/endzone where fine.

baseball: camera shot from centerish field showing the pitcher/catcher/batter/ump. camera shots from the two dugouts where fine.

not sure what that means, if anything. seems the camera with the greater zoom capabilities (or i should say, cameras that are physically farther away from the action) are having the problems.
Now that you mention it, these are the only shots Ive noticed the problem too. But I have not noticed it at all on FSD HD (220), only FOX HD (202).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23037285 Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:03:01 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23034985 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23034985 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:32:03 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23025997
football: press box camera from the 50ish yard line. camera shots from field view/endzone where fine.

baseball: camera shot from centerish field showing the pitcher/catcher/batter/ump. camera shots from the two dugouts where fine.

not sure what that means, if anything. seems the camera with the greater zoom capabilities (or i should say, cameras that are physically farther away from the action) are having the problems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23025997 Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:45:25 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23025976 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23025976 Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:41:36 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23024261 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23024261 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:17:37 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23024075 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23024075 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:57:14 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23023956 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23023956 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:41:14 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23023925 said by imrf:

said by LelandC:

Does anyone know if this is happening on Comcast? Just curious?
Yes it is. It's a Fox issue. I've seen it on DirecTV, Comcast and U-Verse. Fox changed something recently and the picture is starting to jitter and look like crap.
Was fine for me on Comcast.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23023925 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:34:43 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23023588 said by LelandC:

Does anyone know if this is happening on Comcast? Just curious?Yes it is. It's a Fox issue. I've seen it on DirecTV, Comcast and U-Verse. Fox changed something recently and the picture is starting to jitter and look like crap.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23023588 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:30:40 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23022398
-Leland]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23022398 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:55:22 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23021670 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23021670 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:47:51 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23020258 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23020258 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:47:27 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23019800
has anyone called to complain then to find out if it is a known issue? i'll call this afternoon when i get a some free time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23019800 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:29:54 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23019286 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23019286 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:39:04 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23018142 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23018142 Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:57:45 EDT Re: Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23018070 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23018070 Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:37:23 EDT Fox Channel 202 - Madison Heights http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23016648
It doesn't happen on Cops last night (HD program, but not live) or local HD news or the dramas/sitcoms/etc that are in HD. Just LIVE HD sports. HD commercials during these live HD sports broadcasts are fine though. But the pregame now, and the shots of the around the league pre-game stuff....totally unwatchable. Same with the baseball game yesterday.

And oh, it didn't just happen. Been that way since I got the 4250HDC about a month ago but today is the first day I cared because of the start of NFL. When I saw it before, another baseball game of the week, just figured it was the feed from that stadium and didn't think twice about it and watched something else.

The problem doesn't happen on ESPN/2, NBC, CBS or ABC during their live HD sports.

Any thoughts? I'm probably going to exchange the box and see if that helps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Fox-Channel-202-Madison-Heights-23016648 Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:54:09 EDT