NYlock78
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join:2009-04-01
Paterson, NJ
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Re: [ Classes] ATTN Death Knights - Post your spec for critique!
Here if you dont want to be a Frost DK tank and want to remain Blood then Try this build
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JoelC707
join:2002-07-09
Tucson, AZ
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No I'm not strictly tanking although at the moment I am. Once our pally gets up to 80 I doubt I'd be able to hold aggro from him anyway (he can already come close to stealing it at 75). I primarily want to do Melee DPS but because I'm in melee range I'm basically the OT as well cause if for some unforeseen reason the MT dies, I'm next most likely. That's why I've been focusing on defense gear/gems.
I do have a meta socket on the helmet and a prismatic socket on the belt (haven't filled the prismatic one yet). I know it might seem a little odd but that's why I'm here. I want to make sure I'm doing everything I can to make myself the best I can be.
Right now the best 2h weapon I've got is a Honed Cobalt Cleaver. I've thought about asking the guild BS if he can make me a L80 2h weapon of some kind, just haven't done it yet. We've yet to try ToC, let alone any heroics. Would ToC5 be a good one to try heroic on or am I glutton for punishment there? lol. By the way, just so we're clear, you're referring to Trial of Champion not Crusader?
Regarding the blade barrier, you're right. Not sure why I did that honestly. Glyphs, yeah I have one on my blood tree but it was put there for leveling (Glyph of Death Grip). I wanted to sort out my talent specs before spending money on glyphs I may end up replacing afterward. The glyphs you recommended were the ones I had my eyes on but again I wanted to be sure before I got them. Minor glyphs almost seem like a waste except for the Horn one. Raise Dead is good for DPS but I don't even use the ghoul when tanking (though I have popped Army on a boss just to see what would happen, had a hard time keeping aggro from them lol).
Basically what I want to do is run blood/unholy spec (either/or or some combination therein) for DPS and I can run frost presence for the extra armor (the blood presence healing is irrelevant with a healer but unholy rune CD could be useful). I really only have the frost spec for when I need to run as MT. Granted I know frost spec can do DPS too, any of the trees can really if you do them right but I've always seen people go for Blood/Unholy for DPS builds.
Yeah my rotation sucks, I'm sure. It worked great while leveling but I haven't figured out what would be best to replace it with. I'm sure a lot of the rotation depends on your spec as you may or may not have certain abilities. Regarding the macros, I didn't realize rune strike had to be "used" like a normal attack. Since it says "only usable after dodge/parry/block" I assumed it was an attack that happened automatically. I'll try and create some macros tonight and see what happens.
On another note, how are some of these screen shots showing DPS numbers in the 6k to 8k range? I assume these are locks/mages? Could I ever get to those kind of numbers? |
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Sytri
join:2009-04-23
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OK, I've decided to give up my tank alt spec as I'm dps'ing almost constantly and can't really be bothered with tanking. I want to try out DW Frost.
Can I just keep my strength-gemmed dps gear and put in 2x1h? Or would I need some new gear, gems and enchants? I'd assume not and just add in a frost spec and some new weapons but would like to ask people who know what its like. Mainly going out to Archivis as we know he is the DK messiah 
Any advice on spec, weapons, gear etc very much appreciated.
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Krisnatharok
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join:2009-02-11
Sterling, VA | Everything is the same except you use FH/RI as runes and pick the slowest 1Hers you can fine. |
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Ghastlyone
join:2009-01-07
North Las Vegas, NV | reply to Sytri
There's no problem in wanting to try dual wield spec.
I hope you're ok in what the DPS meters will show you though afterwards  |
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Archivis
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said by JoelC707  :No I'm not strictly tanking although at the moment I am. It sounds like you're trying to do both at the same time. Tanking and DPSing are two separate roles. You don't go half and half. If you want to tank one fight, then DPS another, you should invest in dualspecs. Trying to mix and match specs and gear to do both is only going to make you utterly horrible at both.
Once our pally gets up to 80 I doubt I'd be able to hold aggro from him anyway (he can already come close to stealing it at 75). Should be a red flag right there. When a level 75 is pulling off an 80, don't think it's just because he's a paladin. You should take my advice seriously.
I primarily want to do Melee DPS but because I'm in melee range I'm basically the OT as well cause if for some unforeseen reason the MT dies, I'm next most likely. That's why I've been focusing on defense gear/gems. You don't wear off-tank gear when the MT dies. If the MT dies, the MT needs better gear and the healer needs to do their job. If they die, your job is not to pick up the slack. If you're doing DPS, your job is to do DPS. The idea that you'll just swap into frost presence and resume where the other tank left off is misguided. You know how to recover if the main tank dies? You kill everything as fast as you can before they kill you.
I do have a meta socket on the helmet and a prismatic socket on the belt (haven't filled the prismatic one yet). I know it might seem a little odd but that's why I'm here. I want to make sure I'm doing everything I can to make myself the best I can be. Then you need to answer this question for yourself. Do you want to tank or do you want to DPS? Those are two very different and very defined roles. If you want to do both, you'll need to drop the 1000g for a dualspec. But even then, those require two sets of gear, talents and glyphs.
Right now the best 2h weapon I've got is a Honed Cobalt Cleaver. I've thought about asking the guild BS if he can make me a L80 2h weapon of some kind, just haven't done it yet. We've yet to try ToC, let alone any heroics. Would ToC5 be a good one to try heroic on or am I glutton for punishment there? lol. By the way, just so we're clear, you're referring to Trial of Champion not Crusader?
Basically what I want to do is run blood/unholy spec (either/or or some combination therein) for DPS and I can run frost presence for the extra armor (the blood presence healing is irrelevant with a healer but unholy rune CD could be useful). I really only have the frost spec for when I need to run as MT. Granted I know frost spec can do DPS too, any of the trees can really if you do them right but I've always seen people go for Blood/Unholy for DPS builds. You have to erase this notion that by simply swapping from blood presence to frost presence that you're an instant tank. Tanking requires gear, spec and more. DPS requires a different set of gear, spec, etc.
Yeah my rotation sucks, I'm sure. It worked great while leveling but I haven't figured out what would be best to replace it with. I'm sure a lot of the rotation depends on your spec as you may or may not have certain abilities. Regarding the macros, I didn't realize rune strike had to be "used" like a normal attack. Since it says "only usable after dodge/parry/block" I assumed it was an attack that happened automatically. I'll try and create some macros tonight and see what happens.
Well, like I said in my post above, I gave you the rotation for tanking. If you want to go DPS, it's a different rotation, set of abilities, glyphs and talent tree. You go frost for tanking, blood for DPS (as far as our conversation is concerned).
On another note, how are some of these screen shots showing DPS numbers in the 6k to 8k range? I assume these are locks/mages? Could I ever get to those kind of numbers?
As a Death Knight, I've put out over 10k DPS on various fights and up to 13k DPS on a single target heroic boss. There's a wealth of information here if you're willing to read and dismiss pretty much everything you thought you knew about your class up to this point.
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JoelC707
join:2002-07-09
Tucson, AZ
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| I am dual spec'd actually. One is all frost which I'm currently in that you've been critiquing and the other is mostly blood with just enough in the unholy tree to get the ghoul. I think I'm going to respec my frost to your tanking spec but what about a DPS spec? I've heard good things about both blood and unholy and I'm really not sure what to go for. I do want to continue DW if that makes a difference. |
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Koil
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join:2002-09-10
West Columbia, SC
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| Page 1 has the cookie cutter blood template, with a dash of unholy. This is probably a good starting point for you. I would definitely go dual spec, which won't make your current gear junk.
From what I understand, DW is really only viable as Frost tank, and only then when equipped well. Otherwise, 2H is the way to go.
ToC5 drops Edge of Ruin, a very nice axe that you should aim for.
Unholy isn't bad either, I like the speed, but blood throws up numbers that just amaze.
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JoelC707
join:2002-07-09
Tucson, AZ
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| Yeah I figured I'd go for that spec just to try it out. I'll lose the ghoul but I respec'd to blood at around 72 or so, so I've been without it for a while and gotten used to not having it. I basically respec'd to the same two trees Archivis is doing. Lets see how this goes. |
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Koil
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join:2002-09-10
West Columbia, SC
clubs: | You still have the ghoul...just not permanently. It isn't a pet. |
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JoelC707
join:2002-07-09
Tucson, AZ
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| Yeah but that's what I'm referring to. When I first started I was unholy and got used to having the ghoul as a pet. Then I switched to mostly blood and had to learn to be without him all the time. Since I respec'd a week or so ago I got the ghoul pet back but I haven't gotten used to having him again so it won't be any major change for me. |
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Derlos
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Recieved some great feedback before from you DKs.
Still rollin the blood and lovin it.
Would you guys mind checkin my toon and providing feedback?
Derlos
Aegwynn
In terms of gear, ect, i might be limited. I have a schedule as such that it doesnt really allow for set raids. Badge gear baby. Looking forward to that cross server LFG. Perfect for folks like me who want to see the content but dont have the time to raid.
In this gear I generally do 3.6k dps on single target heroic bosses. Trash dps is anywhere from 3 - 4 k, dependin on how much trash and how fast they get nuked. Does this seem right to you?
Also, when dpsin trash, what should the rotation look like? I used to just heart strike, but i found that if there are alot of adds and they stay up long enough, applying diaseses then blood boil seems to up my dps.
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Archivis
Your Daddy
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join:2001-11-26
Earth
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| Your armory is awkward. I'm not concerned about your limitation of gear. I don't judge people on the "lol you're not T9 so you suck", but people should make some conscious gear decisions along the way.
I'm not sure why you're using The Black Heart as a DPS trinket or why you're using a cloak with defense on it. You're using the wrong meta gem and you've got +all stats gems in much of your gear.
You should be using the +21 agility/+3% crit damage meta gem, using a Nightmare's Tear in one piece of gear (usually the helm) and the rest of your gear should all be +STR gems and nothing else.
Your talents and glyphs are fine, though. You wanna work on that gear a bit. Not necessarily upgrading it, but putting something in there worth using at all.
On trash, dont bother with diseases. Heart Strike your brains out and use Death Strike to convert runes to death runes and use Death Coil as filler. Emphasis on filler. If a Blood Rune/Death Rune is available, let your runic power spill over. Use the Heart Strike instead.
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Derlos
join:2009-10-28
Rigaud, QC
| Thanks for the feedback. I know what you mean about the akward gear in some slots. I've been trying to replace em, but taking awhile. I imagine it will be easier once the new patch hits.
Didn't know about that meta gem. Thought that AP would be the way to go there.
Also, I have the extra plus stat gem in there to activate the meta, as everything else is str gems.
How do you activate the meta gem if every other gem if red, and the meta requires others. I may be wrong, and the +agil/+crit meta may require a red and one other, in that case the nightmare tear would cover it off. |
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Archivis
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| The agi/crit meta gem requires 1 of each. The Nightmare's Tear fulfills this requirement by being one of every color. The reason why the agi/crit is better is because you can get more +STR gems in elsewhere.
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XanCore
join:2009-10-25
Chandler, AZ | reply to Krisnatharok
What presence's do you use for Blood spec DPS and Unholy DPS builds? |
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Derlos
join:2009-10-28
Rigaud, QC | From what I understand, blood presence for pve dps regardless of blood or unholy spec. I could very well be wrong however as I have only really ever played blood spec, aside from leveling to 80 (unholy). |
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Ghastlyone
join:2009-01-07
North Las Vegas, NV
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said by Archivis :The agi/crit meta gem requires 1 of each. The Nightmare's Tear fulfills this requirement by being one of every color. The reason why the agi/crit is better is because you can get more +STR gems in elsewhere. Arch you serious on this? 1 Nightmare Tear will active a +21agility/+3% increase crit Meta?
You learn something new every day.
That means I have like 1-2 more strength gem slots open now lol. |
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Ghastlyone
join:2009-01-07
North Las Vegas, NV
| reply to Derlos
said by Derlos :From what I understand, blood presence for pve dps regardless of blood or unholy spec. I could very well be wrong however as I have only really ever played blood spec, aside from leveling to 80 (unholy). I always use Blood Presence in PVE, especially in both Unholy and Blood specs.
Now dual wield frost spec....I found Unholy Presence did more DPS with this spec. |
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Archivis
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Yes, this is exactly why you go with the agility meta gem. It's not about what the meta gem stats are. It's about how many more +STR gems you can use.
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