 Marduk
join:2004-09-05
West Chester, PA | reply to kewlkeed
Re: Get your tinfoil hats out! Ummm, radiation causes mutations. |
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We are bombarded with radiation every single day, in magnitudes much greater than what is put out even directly in front of a wireless communications tower. |
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chimera
join:2009-06-09
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No, certain kinds of radiation causes mutations because it can interact with our cells, enzymes and DNA. Radio waves cannot do this since the wave length of a radio wave is far too long. It is capable of heating a cell, but as far as every bit of research we have indicates: it can't mutate a cell any more than a heat lamp. |
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Marduk
join:2004-09-05
West Chester, PA | reply to psx_defector
said by psx_defector:The Incredible Hulk is not a science education show. We are bombarded with radiation every single day, in magnitudes much greater than what is put out even directly in front of a wireless communications tower. All I said was that radiation causes mutation. It's a true statement.
Just like second hand smoke causes lung cancer. Granted they have to pump metric tons of it into a mouse to be able to claim it, it's still true nonetheless. |
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| said by Marduk:All I said was that radiation causes mutation. It's a true statement. No it is not and hopefully this definition will aid you:
"radiation describes any process in which energy emitted by one body travels through a medium or through space, ultimately to be absorbed by another body."
Therefore if your statement was true, the only safe environment for humans would be in a dark vacuum maintained at -273 C. Good luck with that one. 
Certain types of radiation (Ionizing for example) can bring about mutations, also mutations do not necessary result in cancer. |
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 knightmbEverybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN | reply to Marduk
said by Marduk:Ummm, radiation causes mutations. Too broad of a statement, it's like saying "The universe causes stars" which might be true in a broad since, but the variables and details are being swept aside. I think a more correct statement would be "some ionizing radiation might possibly cause mutations in a living organism after high enough levels and long enough duration".
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Marduk
join:2004-09-05
West Chester, PA
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said by Thane_Bitter:said by Marduk:All I said was that radiation causes mutation. It's a true statement. No it is not and hopefully this definition will aid you: "radiation describes any process in which energy emitted by one body travels through a medium or through space, ultimately to be absorbed by another body." Therefore if your statement was true, the only safe environment for humans would be in a dark vacuum maintained at -273 C. Good luck with that one. Certain types of radiation (Ionizing for example) can bring about mutations, also mutations do not necessary result in cancer. Oh okay, you're right.
Radiation does not ever cause mutation, got it.
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join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
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said by Marduk:Ummm, radiation causes mutations. Sunlight is radiation, therefore by your logic, sunlight causes mutations. So the farmer should keep all his plants in the dark to prevent mutation.
Your statement is a verbal fallacy. If you had stated that certain types of radiation can cause mutations in certain living organisms, then you'd be correct but the blanket statement "radiation causes mutations" is wrong.
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NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
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Emf is non-ionizing radiation; and fairly weak at the distance of the garlic from the tower.
We are far more susceptible to ionizing radiation, and get quite heavy doses of same from more distant, and natural sources. Such as ...... the Sun.
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Lol murdok. Your subtle but effective comeback made me really laugh out loud. |
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 neowulf
join:2000-10-20
Port Orange, FL | How exactly is that a come back?
"Certain types of radiation (Ionizing for example) can bring about mutations, also mutations do not necessary result in cancer."
Is a true statement. Ionizing, such as X-Ray can cause a mutation, but does not mean it will turn into cancer. This happens everyday. You are in the sun, UV rays hit your skin, which alters your DNA causing a mutation, cancer, but DNA is self-repairing and is generally able to correct the damage done by the sun before the cancer is able to replicate causing the cancer to grow. So already he is agreeing that radiation does cause mutations. But it does not mean all radiation causes a mutation, not all radiation is equal in terms of how dangerous they are to cause DNA mutation.
Non-ionizing radiation, such as radio-frequency energy or microwave radiation would have trouble causing a mutation, the wave length is far too broad. It would require so much direct energy to cause a mutation with non-ionizing radiation that before mutation could take place the cell would die of from over exposure to heat energy output. So technically it is impossible to cause a mutation from non-ionizing radiation such as a cell tower.
Having your crops out in the sun with UV rays is much more likely to cause the mutation that this farmer is worried about. |
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Marduk
join:2004-09-05
West Chester, PA | reply to sonicmerlin
People just like to argue. It's just ridiculous. |
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look up what heat radiation does LOL |
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bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA | reply to Marduk
It isn't that, really: Rather, people simply want an unrebutted platform for their own personal perspective. Some folks clearly cannot accept the fact that there isn't any definitive evidence that shows that the garlic absolutely and positively won't be adversely affected. They want to claim that everything is perfectly safe, that is up until the damage is already done, and then they'll take the side of "the farmer should have known".  Essentially, they just want to blame others for everything that they don't like, instead of accepting reality.
Personally, I believe the risks are low enough that I think the farmer should allow it, but that's easy for me to say. I'm not the one that morons would come after with pitchforks if something bad happens to a young child who ate a lot of garlic and mob mentality takes over. |
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said by Morac:said by Marduk:Ummm, radiation causes mutations. Sunlight is radiation, therefore by your logic, sunlight causes mutations. So the farmer should keep all his plants in the dark to prevent mutation. Your statement is a verbal fallacy. If you had stated that certain types of radiation can cause mutations in certain living organisms, then you'd be correct but the blanket statement "radiation causes mutations" is wrong. Sunlight DOES cause mutations. Just look at what happens when you put garlic seeds into the ground, water them and expose them to solar radiation:
They mutate into-garlic! |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR | reply to Marduk
I guess the science education in the schools in West Chester, PA is as bad as it apparently is in Nova Scotia.
I recommend you go to this website immediately, and learn about how urgent this threat really is:
»miscellanea.wellingtongrey.net/2···devices/ |
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NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:4 | C'mon. Wifi routers eating babies? Cthulhu won't stand for the competition! |
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said by Marduk:Oh okay, you're right. Radiation does not ever cause mutation, got it. Thanks! LOL ! (that was pretty funny) |
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said by Marduk:Ummm, radiation causes mutations. Did you know you are exposed to a ton of radiation everyday? You don't see people with third eyes and 20 fingers now do you? UV rays come to mind (unless of course you never go outside). I don't think anyone would deny radiation would cause mutation, but the sear amount would make your statement almost mute. I mean you would really have to be handling plutonium with your bare hands to get radiation poisoning or mutations. In fact, even if you handled weapons grade plutonium - I would venture to wager that you would get radiation poisoning and die before you mutated. In fact - your statement is very misleading because you claim that ALL radiation causes mutations when in fact there are several different kinds. Light is considered a radiation, but does light cause mutations?
The amount of radiation that is emitted from a tower or your handsets is harmless. It's harmless to humans and I am sure it would be harmless to plants. In fact, wouldn't he welcome mutation? I mean, what if the waves mutate the garlic into 20ft plants?
Now, I'm sure if you were to climb up on a cell tower and put your head against one of the emitters for hours you might have some problems... |
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 mix
join:2002-03-19
Utica, MI | reply to Morac
Another name for sunlight is solar radiation. One component of it is ultraviolet radiation... Ever heard of skin cancer? Cancer is a mutation... |
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