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Burlington, MA | reply to Noreaster
Re: Significant implications However, that begs the question: Should John pay more than is necessary, to subsidize Paul paying less than is necessary. There is no way around it, forcing a company like Verizon to serve all customers the same, and charging them all the same, regardless of how much benefit there is to the company in serving each customer, is nothing short of "redistribution of wealth". | |
systems2000What? You Say It's Fixed. Hah
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Cyberspace | Where have you been? Carriers already charge the same fee across their LL network. The only difference in rates is with State and local government taxes.
The Federal Government already has a tax in place that supports rural schools, hospitals, libraries, etc. It's been on LL bills for years. Without some government intervention, you couldn't drive 55 mph across this Country and the cities would be buried in human waste.
If the large carriers are allowed to "Cherry Pick' and not service surrounding rural areas, there will not be any service available to those who provide the needs of those in the cities. If you don't believe me, try to find a cow or an orange in D.C. that didn't come from the rural areas.
Why do I want to pay $.65 a min., when I get better service (unlimited calling - 24/7 LD) and rates through my LL? I don't drop LL connections, I don't have a need for batteies, and I don't have "Dead Zones."
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Burlington, MA | Right here.
said by systems2000:The Federal Government already has a tax in place that supports rural schools, hospitals, libraries, etc. TAX. TAX. Not an unfunded mandate on the operations of a private enterprise. If you are supporting a tax, then say you're supporting a tax, and the taxpayers unions can get on your back, instead of capitalists like me.
said by systems2000:If the large carriers are allowed to "Cherry Pick' and not service surrounding rural areas, there will not be any service available to those who provide the needs of those in the cities. It isn't the carriers' fault that those areas aren't as profitable, and so there is no justification for punishing them. If you want to provide them special incentives to serve less profitable areas, to make those areas equally profitable, then do so. | |
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Re: Isn't customer averaging the cell model? I might be missing a nuance you are trying to state, but aren't the wireless carriers and cable carriers doing the same thing? The wireless plans are all the same across the nation or within markets. Same with cable. Toss internet access into the mix. Anything sold to the mass market is essentially averaged.
Have you found a way to identify how your use tied to your bill in a manner that actually translated to your price discount against someone that used more than you on a similar pricing plan (cable, voice, internet)?
Cable, good luck telling em you only watch TV one hour a month let alone picking your channels.
Voice, closest to the ability to do so might be VOIP providers, and even then, the rate is averaged with increments on where calls terminate.
Internet..same thing.
Find me a company that does 100% contracts with their mass market customers outside of the flea market.
I don't get what your saying I guess. The market always redistributes wealth, even without regulation.
said by bicker:However, that begs the question: Should John pay more than is necessary, to subsidize Paul paying less than is necessary. There is no way around it, forcing a company like Verizon to serve all customers the same, and charging them all the same, regardless of how much benefit there is to the company in serving each customer, is nothing short of "redistribution of wealth". | |
bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA | I think the issue is the fact that different services we're talking about have vastly different load models. We're not comparing 10 hours of voice to 100 hours of voice. We're comparing 10 hours of voice to 100 hours of video. That's many orders of magnitude of a difference, rather than just one or two orders of magnitude. | |
| said by bicker:I think the issue is the fact that different services we're talking about have vastly different load models. We're not comparing 10 hours of voice to 100 hours of voice. We're comparing 10 hours of voice to 100 hours of video. That's many orders of magnitude of a difference, rather than just one or two orders of magnitude. Load models are the same, only different in determining the busy hour on the network topologies (which do differ).
Magnitudes matter not...a 1.54mbps DS1 to the internet once ran, and still does in some places, a few hundred, vs well, any 20 dollar internet connection (expensive for a 1.5 connect). We are dealing in packets vs circuits on the off-net side of any infrastructure provider's business.
10 hours of voice on dedicated connections are dirt cheap on packet/shared connections, then again, none of us are really interested in going back to party lines to save a buck, are we?
The network capacity in the provider world is built around peak, not around their highest priced customer's needs. If everyone is viewing 10 hours per internet connection or cell connection, how does it really differ from when everyone began using 240 long distance minutes per month on average?
You seem to be caught up on time...I guess I don't get it. I can easily "view", i.e. view while caching, 10 hours of video in significantly less time depending upon the encoding techniques.
Back to the original question/response....everything delivered to the mass market is typically "averaged". More expensive to try to maintain individual contracts with everyone than to just average it out. We, as people, do fit the averaging model rather nicely, generally.
The cellular ppl are all ex telco ppl, they've got the averaging covered quite well in their pricing models today, but the marketing ppl are still trying to figure out how to keep up the charade that is the current pricing...network engineering is still just network engineering, they are still designing around the busy hour. Any reason we should believe differently? | |
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Burlington, MA | said by xsiddalx:Magnitudes matter not... Magnitudes do matter in this context. | |
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