BB1984
join:2006-05-31
Australia
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Re: EU Funding 'Orwellian' Artificial Intelligence Plan (INDECT) Thank you SUMware for this. You will always get the "let them watch me - I've got nothing to hide" crowd. Pity. Gonna hurt us in the end. Badly.
Wanna know where we're heading? Read this:
"Blueprint for a Prison Planet"
»www.nick2211.yage.net/chips.htm
You honestly don't care? Then at least stop using terms like "democracy", "freedom", "liberty", and "rights" like you know what they mean.  |
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 JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
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| said by BB1984:Thank you SUMware for this. You will always get the "let them watch me - I've got nothing to hide" crowd. Pity. Gonna hurt us in the end. Badly. I'm not in that crowd. I'm in the "we lost all freedom when we decided to have a modern society" crowd. Of course on the up side we get safe(r) water and food, and products that mostly don't kill us. And some medical treatments for many of us.
"This is already in action" everywhere.
Don't we live in a republic, anyway?
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 EGeezerSummertimePremium
join:2002-08-04
Midwest
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1 edit | said by JohnInSJ:I'm not in that crowd. I'm in the "we lost all freedom when we decided to have a modern society" crowd. Of course on the up side we get safe(r) water and food, and products that mostly don't kill us. And some medical treatments for many of us. "This is already in action" everywhere. Yep, and being enhanced for commercial and political gain.
Some other benefits to the "monitoring is good" will be;
* To monitor streets and crosswalks to automatically issue jaywalking tickets. Traffic cameras are already becoming the revenue-raising fad with local governments.
* Issue citations for littering, smoking in non-smoking areas, trespassing and other minor and major offenses.
* That stuff you buy online without paying sales tax will soon be tracked, and you'll get an automated garnishment or lien against your property if you fail to report and pay.
* Those phone calls on VoIP? they aren't land line calls, so aren't subject to the same laws and restrictions. Your calls can be monitored and collected for commercial purposes and sold to whoever wants to pay for them, including governments and political organizations.
* Those meds you may take and sometimes forget to take? Your drug purchases can - and are be monitored, along with your purchases using shopper cards, credit and debit cards.
This information is already collected and for sale to anyone, including insurance companies who cover you. A few years back, I was part of a development team to collect drug purchases of insureds and compare them to dosages to determine compliance. The information was to be sold to pharma and insurers as part of driving sales and potentially limiting benefits to noncompliant patients. The data is still out there, being collected. Insurers are pushing for enforcement of lifestyle changes based on purchase information.
So you see, it isn't the stated uses that are of concern. Everybody wants to fight terrorism, protect our children and all the other political beatitudes that are used as an excuse to further document and classify citizens, it's the careless handling and abuse that inevitably follows.
Maybe you want Experian, Bank Of America, Obama or whatever left or right wing nut follows him to be able to buy, use and abuse your information, but I'm not particular about them or some private outfit misusing them or hunting for an excuse to hassle me.
Don't we live in a republic, anyway?
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Recalling my eight grade civics class, it's a democratic republic.
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join:2002-05-21
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2 edits | said by EGeezer:Recalling my eight grade civics class, it's a democratic republic. Well, maybe not quite yet. 
Democratic Republic — Tends to be used by countries who have a particular desire to emphasize their claim to be democratic; these are typically Communist states and/or ex-colonies. Examples include the German Democratic Republic (no longer in existence) and the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
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Rialto, CA | I recall that the Pledge of Allegiance uses the phrase "and the Republic for which it stands" and that the words democratic and democracy are not mentioned. I don't believe they are in the Constitution, either, but I could be wrong.
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SUMwarePremium
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kudos:2 | said by rcdailey:I recall that the Pledge of Allegiance uses the phrase "and the Republic for which it stands" and that the words democratic and democracy are not mentioned. I don't believe they are in the Constitution, either, but I could be wrong. You are correct.
First Pledge of Allegiance read:
I pledge allegiance to my Flag,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.
- October 11, 1892
I pledge allegiance to my the
Flag of the United States,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.
- June 14, 1923
I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.
- June 14, 1924
I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation under God, indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.
- June 14, 1954
Constitution for the United States of America |
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rcdaileyDragoonflyPremium
join:2005-03-29
Rialto, CA | I was almost correct. I left out "to" in the quote. Oh well.
I do remember when "under God" was added. I remember reciting the pledge before that.
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