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join:2002-03-19
Utica, MI | This will usher in a new era of usage caps I am all for net neutrality. But this will only embolden ISPs and wireless phone companies to create new and smaller usage caps to prevent file traders from overwhelming their networks. It is also the perfect excuse to raise/add fees to squeeze extra dollars out of customers. This will be the next big fight. ISP's trying to one up each other on who offers the higher usage cap until we eventually go back to truly unlimited broadband usage circa 10 years ago. Any smart ISP or wireless phone provider should be looking for ways to massively increase their available bandwidth right now. | |
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| Re: This will usher in a new era of usage caps said by mix:I am all for net neutrality. But this will only embolden ISPs and wireless phone companies to create new and smaller usage caps to prevent file traders from overwhelming their networks. It is also the perfect excuse to raise/add fees to squeeze extra dollars out of customers. This will be the next big fight. ISP's trying to one up each other on who offers the higher usage cap until we eventually go back to truly unlimited broadband usage circa 10 years ago. Any smart ISP or wireless phone provider should be looking for ways to massively increase their available bandwidth right now. This sounds about right.
IMO this is a rational response to the proposed regulations. If the ISPs are not free to formulate their own, competing offerings to their perceived markets, but instead are regulated into providing only "approved" offerings, they will have to cap everyone, and all the ISPs will start looking the same. Innovative offerings go bye-bye.
This is a case of "be careful what you wish for". Unintended consequences almost always happen when well-intended laws turn into cumbersome, over-bearing regulatory processes. | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: This will usher in a new era of usage caps We've had a decade now of near deregulation in this area. Where are these 'innovative offerings' of which you speak? | |
| | | | | Re: This will usher in a new era of usage caps said by huntml:We've had a decade now of near deregulation in this area. Where are these 'innovative offerings' of which you speak? Didn't you see the recent 'innovative offerings' from Comcast? Offer amazing speeds and then spoof rst packets to keep usage down. That's innovative as hell. Should be illegal but its absolutely innovative. | |
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Spokane, WA | Re: This will usher in a new era of usage caps PS3, XBox, Scrap for being innovation with NET technologies. VOIP, IP TV, SKYPE are applications of technologies designed before GW. | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | And which of these innovations came from an ISP, exactly? | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: This will usher in a new era of usage caps So then...how would regulating ISPs to ensure that they treat all data types evenhandedly deleteriously affect the ability of application developers to innovate? Connect the dots for me please. | |
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join:2002-01-23
Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: This will usher in a new era of usage caps I actually agree with you. I think, however, that on balance, the trade-off will be pro-consumer. | |
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| | | | | said by pandora:WOW and its ilk, PS3, Xbox 360, IP TV, VOIP, Skype video. Look around.  Let me throw a bunch of crap into the debate for people to trip over.
1) PS3
Not the network, not created by an ISP.
2) Xbox 360
Not the network, not created by an ISP.
3) IP TV
Not the network, this is a service, If you threw this out by itself and not with a bunch of other random things, I would take the time to explain why this isn't a valid example of a service providers 'innovative offerings'.
4) Skype video
Not the network, not created by an ISP.
I just don't know what to say, Any defense of your comments or did you just throw out a bunch of words in the hopes of making the debate a little more convoluted? | |
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|  Re: This will usher in a new era of usage caps
said by petecarlson:said by pandora:WOW and its ilk, PS3, Xbox 360, IP TV, VOIP, Skype video. Look around. Let me throw a bunch of crap into the debate for people to trip over. 1) PS3 Not the network, not created by an ISP. 2) Xbox 360 Not the network, not created by an ISP. 3) IP TV Not the network, this is a service, If you threw this out by itself and not with a bunch of other random things, I would take the time to explain why this isn't a valid example of a service providers 'innovative offerings'. 4) Skype video Not the network, not created by an ISP. I just don't know what to say, Any defense of your comments or did you just throw out a bunch of words in the hopes of making the debate a little more convoluted? Wrong, wrong, wrong.
PS3, network, Xbox 360, network, IPTV, network, Skype video, network, VOIP, network.
It doesn't matter who created it, the question is about ISP's discriminating about applications AND about usage caps.
Clearly IPTV is competition for many ISP's, and if they can't discriminate based on the application, they will invoke usage caps. Comcast has already done this.
For cell phones, customers may win the right to tether, but wireless providers will counter with enforced caps IMO.
Eventually, someone has to pay for bandwidth consumed by new applications.
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Hilliard, OH | This is productive. Start predicting and bitching about the outcome....well before the process even starts. | |
| | | | Re: This will usher in a new era of usage caps Well, history does repeat itself, and if you've been paying attention to this sector, it's not too hard to predict trajectory... | |
| | mix
join:2002-03-19
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1 edit | I think new metered billing is worth bitching about. | |
| | | | | Re: This will usher in a new era of usage caps I'm all for a good flame war but what's with all the gas? | |
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| | said by mix:I am all for net neutrality. But this will only embolden ISPs and wireless phone companies to create new and smaller usage caps to prevent file traders from overwhelming their networks. It is also the perfect excuse to raise/add fees to squeeze extra dollars out of customers. This will be the next big fight. ISP's trying to one up each other on who offers the higher usage cap until we eventually go back to truly unlimited broadband usage circa 10 years ago. Any smart ISP or wireless phone provider should be looking for ways to massively increase their available bandwidth right now. Thats exactly what will happen. ISP's will put in bandwidth caps to avoid upgrading there network now, plus nickel and dime people who go over, and stop some "heavy" users.
And they will just change a insanely high rate for extra bandwidth. I pay less then $150 a month for a high end server with 10 TB of bandwidth that is connected to 9 different network providers. | |
| | | | Re: This will usher in a new era of usage caps said by dlewis23: I pay less then $150 a month for a high end server with 10 TB of bandwidth that is connected to 9 different network providers. Does this have anything to do with anything? Relevance? | |
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