1 edit | Rumor: Rogers to dump SAF for new Gov Fee »www.howardforums.com/showthread.···=1572219
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
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| From what I have read, this will only apply to new customers. Existing customers can keep their plan + SAF contract or upgrade to the new plans
Basically the SAF is now going to become part of the price of the voice/data plan you sign up for and there will be a new "Government Regulatory Fee" on your bill instead.
Just to note, the new government fee does not actually appear to be a mandated fee. |
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| Of course not!
Since when do bills tell you the whole truth. |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
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| reply to CoverIt
On a much more important note, Rogers will also be decreasing the size of Local Calling Areas over the next while
»www.redflagdeals.com/forums/show···t=781580
Info from Rogers here: »www.rogers.com/web/content/wirel···_calling
This would constitute a reason to get out of your contract without an ECF. Something I may look at doing considering most of my calls are about to become long distance. |
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 BryceS
join:2007-09-17
Woodstock, ON | reply to CoverIt
Your contract only protects the price of your voice plan and the amount of minutes it entails.
HUGs, LCA, SAF, e911, Text Messaging, Call Display and other VAS are not included and can be adjusted throughout the term. |
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 SnickerdoPremium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
1 edit | reply to Robrr
said by Robrr:On a much more important note, Rogers will also be decreasing the size of Local Calling Areas over the next while Local calling areas are set by the CRTC. They can reduce the size of an LCA if they were already exceeding the minimum, but they can't drop below what the CRTC has already set.
Local calling areas have a lot to do with CMAs and such. It's a weird convoluded process they come up with to determine them, which is why a city like St. Catharines can call everywhere in the Niagara Region (except for Grimsby, which can call Hamilton, but can't call St. Catharines) and yet Welland and Niagara Falls aren't a local call, even though the cities are physically connected to one another when neither one touches St. Catharines.
Edit - all hell is going to break lose over this, let me tell you that. Basically, if someone in Welland calls me with my St. Catharines cell number, it is still a local call for the person in Welland, but they're going to ding me with long distance charges. Good god, a lot of people are going to be pissed off.
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Robrr
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said by BryceS:Your contract only protects the price of your voice plan and the amount of minutes it entails. HUGs, LCA, SAF, e911, Text Messaging, Call Display and other VAS are not included and can be adjusted throughout the term. I would be more than willing to argue SAF fees. You can't have access to the network without paying it and if you don't pay it your service will be cut off. |
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BryceS
join:2007-09-17
Woodstock, ON | reply to CoverIt
That doesn't mean it's not covered under the contract.
Read it before you sign it.
Don't like the SAF? There's always the discount brands to choose from. |
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 HiVoltPremium
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| said by BryceS:That doesn't mean it's not covered under the contract. Read it before you sign it. Don't like the SAF? There's always the discount brands to choose from. Come on, stop sounding like a shill... Bell has brainwashed you...
Tell me who actually reads their contract in store or online when ordering a phone. That's what these companies bank on.
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 MashikiBalking The Enemy's Plans
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Woodstock, ON
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said by BryceS:That doesn't mean it's not covered under the contract. Read it before you sign it. Don't like the SAF? There's always the discount brands to choose from. Considering how complex contracts are these days, they should all be considered null and void. I'm patiently awaiting a 'simple contract law' to come into force here. I look at it this way, the average person of the population reads at a grade 7-9 level. Contracts should reflect the population. |
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BryceS
join:2007-09-17
Woodstock, ON | reply to HiVolt
I'm saying this out of my personal opinion.
I don't even work at Bell anymore.
I read everything given to me before I sign it.
Bell, Rogers, VISA, lease, return policies at stores etc. |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
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1 edit | reply to Snickerdo
If they wish to reduce the size, that is their choice obviously as long as it falls within the rules.
The change does result in a change of service which you have the opportunity to assess and determine if you wish to accept the new terms.
I am not sure if I want to accept this currently considering my phone calls are about to all become long distance. I may speak with Rogers and see what they have to offer.
edit: spelling. Damn spell checker failed me again  |
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 andybPremium
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"The Government Regulatory Recovery Fee ranges from $2.46-$3.46/line/month (varies by province and plan selected). It is applied to help fund fees, costs and other amounts related to federal, provincial and/or municipal mandates, programs and requirements such as provincial 911 fees, spectrum acquisition, licensing charges, and contribution charges to help subsidize telephone service in rural and remote areas. It may include costs incurred in prior years that are still being fully recovered. It is not a tax or charge the government requires Rogers to collect. The fee and the components used to calculate the fee are subject to change as the fees/costs of government mandates/programs change."
They are passing on all costs to the consumer even the cost of buying spectrum lol..
Full cost page here
»www.rogers.com/web/content/grrf?···atoryfee |
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As for the LCA thing. No place in your contract did it say the LCA would remain the same or they cannot change it. |
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore.Premium
join:2002-02-21
London, ON | reply to andyb
said by andyb:They are passing on all costs to the consumer even the cost of buying spectrum lol.. you always were...this is simply a rebranding of the SAF...what they should do is simply charge what they REALLY want to charge for the monthly rate and quit adding all the silly fees on top...if my bill is going to be $35/month, make it $35/month, not $25/month, plus a $7 SAF and $3 Government fee.
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Robrr
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said by CoverIt:As for the LCA thing. No place in your contract did it say the LCA would remain the same or they cannot change it. If the LCA is not part of the Service than what it is a part of??? |
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andybPremium
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All those charges are a part of doing business and your related costs.They should be in the price,not added later.To say it allways was is bullshit.The charge was never there before.They intoduced it after lowering prices to compete/make thier price look lower then added all the other fee's seperate. |
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dirtyjefferAnons on ignore.Premium
join:2002-02-21
London, ON | reply to Robrr
i looked at the map for London...i don't see how it is any worse...in fact, it seems to be about the same as it always has been.
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Robrr
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| I'm still researching the changes to see how much it has changed.
If I am understanding it right previously you could call anywhere in the yellow/red zone and it was local.
After the change anytime you call from the out from the red area it is now long distance.
This is my understanding as of now so it could be inaccurate. |
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dirtyjefferAnons on ignore.Premium
join:2002-02-21
London, ON | i think i may have just found out how it differs...if you look at the London map for example...right now, you can call London from Grand Bend locally...i think as of the change, that will be a long distance call...while that won't really affect me a lot (if at all), i can see that being a pretty big deal to some...i suppose what may happen is Rogers may either offer an "enhanced calling zone" for $5/month, or perhaps "Unlimited Canada Wide LD" for $10/month (or something like that...either way, a rather sneaky way of throwing in a price increase...since Ted has passed, Rogers has done a few things that aren't the brightest...Nadir should know better...he is going to make a lot of people very upset, and with new companies on the horizon, now is definitely not the time...my contract is up next summer, and i have no intention of renewing at least until i check out what else is available (i like to keep my options open).
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