ak3883
join:2005-08-20
Bensalem, PA
| reply to osxtasy
Re: Heads up Upgraders win7upgrd NOT BOOTABLE
Waiting to reserve judgement on this till consumer release. I'm not convinced, because the OP is using special VLK discs and not retail ones.
This is also the reason I preordered from Best Buy, and I'll wait for a couple days before I crack the seal on the box and read upgrade reports from users online. If I don't like it or it looks like I won't be able to upgrade cleanly from my XP disc, then I can return it unopened or sell it for a profit. |
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bradenmcg
join:2000-10-26
Cleveland, OH
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Windows 7 Volume License Downloads |
FWIW, the "End Item Part No" that he has blacked out is FQC-00116, and the barcode below it is X15-73570. (This is to prove to the OP that I too have the disc sitting in front of me.)
The MVLS Windows Client disc has been like this for a while, because the MVLS terms of use require the machine to have a valid OS license on it (either retail or OEM sticker) before you can use the disc to UPGRADE the workstation.
If you have proof of prior version licensing but no OS on the machine, you are licensed to use the MVLS Win7 key, and MS generally doesn't care how you get it on there. You should have the full-install version of the ISO available for download from your portal on licensing.microsoft.com.
The "K" version is for Korea:
Windows Vista Business K includes the same functionality as Windows Vista Business, except that it includes links to a Media Player Center Web site and a Messenger Center Web site.
The Korean Fair Trade Commission requires that the software contain links to a Media Player Center Web site and a Messenger Center Web site which has links to third party sites to enable consumers to download and install third party media players and instant messaging software. The third party sites are not under the control of Microsoft, and Microsoft is not responsible for the software or content of any third party sites, any links contained in third party sites, or any changes or updates to the third party software or sites. The inclusion of any link on the Media Player Center Web site or Messenger Center Web site does not imply an endorsement by Microsoft of the third party software, the site or its contents. The "KN" version actually removes Media Player / etc entirely and does not include the required links mentioned above. |
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bradenmcg
join:2000-10-26
Cleveland, OH
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While I'm dispelling myths/rumors with Win7...
The retail disc still has the ability to install all of the versions of Win7, just like was possible with Vista. The difference is that you have to remove one file that is placed there to "lock" it to a certain version (ei.cfg).
I actually have a Win7 DVD that will boot and install both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of all flavors of windows (Home through Enterprise) and accepts the correct keys (retail keys for Home-Pro-Ultimate and a VLK-MAK for Enterprise). This is fairly easy to do with the right tools supplied by Microsoft.
Check out this thread over at ArsTechnica for more details on that process:
»episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/for···0041/p/2 |
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Irish Shark
Play Like A Champion Today
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-29
Las Vegas, NV | reply to osxtasy
Volume licenses are sold in bulk to corporate customers, in quantities of five or more at a time. A volume license is available as an upgrade only.
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osxtasy
join:2008-07-03
2 edits | reply to bradenmcg
Yes, we do have the FULL Version VLK at work as well. My concern was that the retail version of the upgrade will be the same as our work VLK versions, meaning the Retail UpgradeIi purchased for my personal use, will also not be bootable like the VLK Upgrade one at work.
Can you confirm or clarify??
Guess I'll just purchase a Retail Full Version, since I already canceled my upgrade...  |
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Surfinusa
Premium
join:2001-02-08 | reply to R4M0N
Re: Question
Thx for the info. |
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Ken1943
join:2001-12-30
Brighton, CO | reply to osxtasy
Re: Heads up Upgraders win7upgrd NOT BOOTABLE
Let the rumors begin |
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Matt
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Jamestown, NC
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| said by Ken1943  :Let the rumors begin I think they already have. |
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Korro
join:2008-03-15
Pittsburgh, PA | reply to osxtasy
Well it is my understanding that the disc is BOOTABLE. otherwise how am I supposed to upgrade to WIN 7 x64 from my 32 XP.
Now the real question is will NEWEGG have my copy of WIn7 on my door step OCT 22 or will it ship OCT 22? |
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neonhomer
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join:2004-01-27
Edgewater, FL
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said by normat :I do wish they'd go the route of one bootable disk containing all versions including OEM licenses. Let the key decide the final version! It is a step back from what was done in Vista. However, it's within their right to release as such. I'm sure they have their reasons but the restrictions/limitations make for a real PITA. This is how Trane decided to do their service software (Rover) and their Building Automation Software (Tracer-Summit). When you install the program, what is installed is dependent on what CD Key you typed in. Makes it easier for fulfilling orders. Toss a CD into the package, put a CD Key in the package and whatever else, and ship. You don't have multiple SKU's for different versions.
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digitalfutur
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join:2000-07-15
BurlingtonON
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The DVD says right on it that a pre-exisitng OS license key is required. Since that requires the Win7 installer to be able to find it on the HD, an qualifying MS OS has to be on the HD. What's the surprise then, at not being able to upgrade on a clean drive?
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OmegaWolf747
Vive la revolucion
join:2009-02-08
Royal Oak, MI
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That's because it's an UPGRADE, as in upgrading from Vista to 7. If you want to do a full install of 7, you need to get the full version on DVD, which is more expensive.
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Xtort
join:2001-07-28
Edmonton, AB
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Instead of insinuating that the disc is not bootable, how about you check the disc for defects or try a different DVD-ROM/RW drive. Every VLK disc that I have dealt with IS bootable. If you have a folder called "boot" on the root of the disc's filesystem, it is bootable.
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NYR 56
join:2000-12-05
Smithtown, NY
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said by OmegaWolf747 :That's because it's an UPGRADE, as in upgrading from Vista to 7. If you want to do a full install of 7, you need to get the full version on DVD, which is more expensive. That is not what the "upgrade" discs have ever meant for MS. You can always do a full install with an upgrade disc, it will just ask for proof (i.e. insert older os disc during install).
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
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said by OmegaWolf747 :That's because it's an UPGRADE, as in upgrading from Vista to 7. If you want to do a full install of 7, you need to get the full version on DVD, which is more expensive. I ran a Windows XP Home Edition upgrade disc. It gave me a "full install" (whatever that may mean) of Windows XP Home Edition. It would not read the OEM recovery CD (something about that being an image of the HDD, and lacking a file the upgrade disc wants to find), but it would install with the qualifying OS installed on the HDD. It gave me the option to to an "upgrade" install, or a clean install, from scratch (presumably your "full install").
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cmcasey79
join:2000-12-10
Farmington, MI
·Bright House
| reply to osxtasy
If indeed the retail upgrade discs aren't bootable, you would still be able to do a "clean" install of 7. You'd have to have a prior OS installed, then run the 7 dvd on there. It will still give you an option to do a clean install, the installer will just do the formatting and everything for you. If they decided to go this way, its likely because too many people were abusing the "verification" of a prior OS. If you're running the installer from windows instead of booting the cd, the installer would be able to do a Windows Genuine Advantage check to validate the copy of windows you're upgrading from is legit (now we all know that's not fool proof by any means, but...). I agree its going to be more of a pain in the butt this way, but with so many systems coming with just restore discs and not actual windows discs, its very hard for the upgrade disc to verify just by a disc insert anymore anyways.
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Boricua65
join:2002-01-26
Puerto Rico
| reply to osxtasy
Here's a novel idea:
1) have the current OS as a Slave drive and make the Win7 drive (to be installed) as a Master. So when the disk is searching for the previous OS, it can be pointed in the right direction.
or
2) create a partition of same drive with current OS and have the OS be drive D:\ in the partition and drive C:\ would be the drive to install Win7. Once all is said and done, delete the old OS partition and voila! you have a Win7 install upgrade.
If anybody else has any other ideas, please by all means chime in. All of ya are bickering about what can/can't be installed or what can/can't be done and not realize there are more than one way to skin a cat.
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R4M0N
Brazilian Soccer Ownz Joo
join:2000-10-04
Glen Allen, VA
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| said by Boricua65 :...and not realize there are more than one way to skin a cat. PETA will be knocking on your door soon. |
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Boricua65
join:2002-01-26
Puerto Rico
| said by R4M0N :said by Boricua65 :...and not realize there are more than one way to skin a cat. PETA will be knocking on your door soon. Bring 'em on  , I hate cats anyways.
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Leathal
Premium
join:2002-02-09
Toronto, ON
| reply to osxtasy
Cool Microsoft has finally decided they will be making money this time around and not completely give away their OS like they did Vista and are doing Windows 7 to Microsoft's subscribers. 
Leathal |
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