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johnnyboyct

join:2003-06-11
New Britain, CT
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Virtualization Server and Network Setup?

Hey guys, this is for my home, but I have some questions I think would be more suited for you about re purposing my old desktop. Move the topic if needed.

I just got a new HP Pavillion dv7
( »h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/docu···=3979540 ) and Im thinking of re purposing my desktop as a visualization server. We are both geeks, Im a programmer so Im always screwing around with something and he likes security, so hes always messing around or infecting VMs. Our setup is something like this:


  • Roommate:

    1. Desktop(wireless, dual boot ubuntu and vista 64)

    2. Netbook(wireless, dual boot ubuntu and xp home)




  • Myself:

    1. Desktop(wired, trying to decide OS, the reason for the post)



    2. Laptop(Mostly wireless, Vista 64 home premium preinstalled havent downloaded
      ubuntu yet but will probably dual boot, I use Ubuntu mainly but have been using
      Vista since it was preinstalled and I use windows at work)




  • Nas

    • Western Digital MyBook World (wired)

    • A whole other thread, was 1tb, but after the drive failed FOR THE SECOND TIME,
      they are supposed to be sending a 2TB edition




Basically, since my NAS died and I got a new laptop I'm using as my primary machine, Im thinking about redoing our network setup using my old desktop as a server. I don't really want to buy anything but I do have a switch and and an old wired router hanging around and I may be able to get software if suggested. It might not be a bad idea to separate us on the network as well. Right now everything connected to a Linksys router in a workgroup.

I was wondering what you guys could suggest. I was leaning towards doing a virtualization server because my roommate is constantly trying new distros and stuff and i have a few VMs. I also like to tinker with stuff and it would be nice to have a few different base images to rebuild if I break them. Those images would be on only when in use. I also thought it would be nice to setup a media server for our music and stuff and after the NAS dying for the SECOND time, I have been considering a backup server or at minimum a file server and an application. I could probably just do a VM server and just make VMs for those things right?

Ive been doing some reading and I downloaded Vmwares free esxi deal, but the CD wont boot. It just sits with a blinking cursor for a minute then jumps to the first hard drive and starts the OS. I burned the cd twice and then even tried installed ubuntu so I don't think its the CD. I also gave xen a shot, but it didn't like something to do with my sata controller (I think, I only booted it once late at night when I was already aggravated so I didn't really try hard lol) For now I have a fresh install of Ubuntu 9.1 on it.

My questions are what free virtualization server do you think would be best? I would really like a gui of some sorts and I need it to do both windows and linux vms and have a client for windows and linux. I know thats a lot to ask for free, but I figured I would give it a shot. On top of that, if my hardware is capable, Id like for it to not need to be on top of an OS (Hypervisor?), if that's not possible, maybe running on Ubuntu? At minimum I don't want to buy software, so windows is out, maybe Debian based? But again, since im hoping for free, that's not a must have.

Thanks for reading my book of a post :P
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Connecticut Web Design and Development


Matt
All noise, no signal.
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12

VMWare ESXi if your hardware supports it. You need more RAM though if you want to effectively run more than 1 or 2 VMs.



johnnyboyct

join:2003-06-11
New Britain, CT
Reviews:
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That was my first choice. I tried the CD, but it wont seem to boot. I'm not sure if the hardware is a problem, but I downloaded the cd twice and burned it twice and it just blinks the cursor for a minute then boots off the first hard drive.

»www.vmware.com/resources/compati···oq=&aqi=

The compatibility tool only shows opteron and xeon processors, but I believe it runs on others. I would think if it was a problem with the hardware they would have it stop and show the error message, but I have no idea.

Your right about the ram, thats why i wanted to use ESXi. Im going to snag some RAM of the next machine that I can.
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Connecticut Web Design and Development



Matt
All noise, no signal.
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12

I've booted ESXi off all kinds of hardware, the limitation is usually the storage controller. Have you tried re-downloading and burning it on completely different hardware or possibly trying an older 3.5 image, which is 32-bit rather than 64-bit like the 4.0 versions?



The WeaseL
Premium
join:2001-12-03
Minnesota

reply to johnnyboyct
Most likely some of your hardware is not going to work with VMWare.

If you are trying ESXi v4.0, try v3.5. If v3.5 doesn't work, I would suggest then installing Linux and dropping VMWare Server onto that. Or if you can get your hands on Windows 2008 you can use Microsoft's Hyper-V and their virtualization abilities.

And like mentioned above, you will want more then 2 gigs of ram if you want to run more then 3-4 VM's without tons of HD thrashing within ESX.
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How lucky am I to have known someone who is so hard to say good-bye to.



Matt
All noise, no signal.
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12

said by The WeaseL:

Most likely some of your hardware is not going to work with VMWare.

If you are trying ESXi v4.0, try v3.5. If v3.5 doesn't work, I would suggest then installing Linux and dropping VMWare Server onto that. Or if you can get your hands on Windows 2008 you can use Microsoft's Hyper-V and their virtualization abilities.

And like mentioned above, you will want more then 2 gigs of ram if you want to run more then 3-4 VM's without tons of HD thrashing within ESX.
Hyper-V requires Intel or AMD Virtualization support. I'm not sure if his 4200+ supports it, so he'll need to verify that.

I second the stripped-down Linux + VMWare Server idea if he can't get ESXi working.


PToN

join:2001-10-04
Houston, TX

reply to johnnyboyct
You can start playing around with VMware and 2GB of RAM. With Xen you will definitely need more than that.

However, the more VMs you have or depending on the use the for VMs you will need more RAM. But to start with you ll be fine with 2GB.

I do a lot of development on my home PC and i use VMs and i only have 1GB of ram.. However, it dont use it for heavy things.

I can only talk about Xen since i havent used VMware for over a year now, but XenServer 5.5 is really nice.


bilbusb

join:2003-04-10
Tucker, GA

reply to johnnyboyct
esxi 4.0 will work just fine on a desktop. If you want single disk SATA storage it will work just fine .. 4.0 supports sata now.

If you want raid, you will need a decent raid controler. Ebay a Dell perc 6i, or dell website (250$) It's a great controler. (this card will need to go in your gfx x16 PCIE slot)

I have my 4.0 server running fine on a A64 6000+



nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
Premium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA

reply to johnnyboyct
In general, the VMWare ESX/vSphere solutions are going to be a lot pickier about hardware than most of the other virtualization solutions (VMware Workstation, Xen, etc.).

The VMware hypervisor in ESX/vSphere is a very stripped-down OS. It has a much more limited supported-device list than hosted hypervisors (e.g., VMware Workstation or MS Vserver) or generalized hypervisors (e.g., Xen). So, if you're having issues with ESX/vSphere and your hardware, try one of the hosted virtualization solutions or even Xen.
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The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell



johnnyboyct

join:2003-06-11
New Britain, CT
Reviews:
·Comcast

reply to johnnyboyct
I re downloaded the esxi image and re burned it, then I changed the CD drive in the PC, and it works!

Havent gotten to use it yet though, Ill check it out tonight
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Connecticut Web Design and Development



johnnyboyct

join:2003-06-11
New Britain, CT
Reviews:
·Comcast

reply to johnnyboyct
So its up and running, anyone have any good ideas for VMs for me? Suggestions on the network setup?

Im thinking I want a semi simple router app (I have the 2 nics and wireless on board) just to see what kind of bandwidth we both do and maybe tweak (QoS?)?

Anyways, the new toy is running, and I can connect with vsphere, what can I do to have some fun :P
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Connecticut Web Design and Development


bilbusb

join:2003-04-10
Tucker, GA

Well, there is alot.

You can run
pfsence, with ntop for router + traffic monitor

On my 2 ESX home boxes i have the following

2x DCs
2x Exchange 2007 (HT/MB)
1x wsus, AV
1x SNMP, and Third party ESX management server
1x SQL server
1x ISA (not setup completely yet)
1x SCCM
1x MOM
1x Sharepoint



PToN

join:2001-10-04
Houston, TX

reply to johnnyboyct
Vyatta is a really good "routing" OS, but QoS doesnt work very well due to some issue with the clocks...

Other than that, it is very powerful...

Solaris..? only because of ZFS... Other than that i guess any other OS would work...



moddestmike

join:2009-01-26
Fresno, TX

reply to johnnyboyct
Man this thread came at a good time. I'm attempting to build out 2 VM's for Server 2003 for my MCSE lab. I have a pretty powerful machine already and want to make sure that I'm taking the most cost efficient route. Could use an opinion from someone who has done this before.


Bink

join:2006-05-14
Denver, CO
kudos:4

reply to bilbusb
Wow—that’s some home setup you have there.


bilbusb

join:2003-04-10
Tucker, GA

reply to johnnyboyct
That's just my VMs

I have 2 fileservers with DFS replication between them.

1 firewall, pfsence

i used to have a few more, but i was able to migrate all that to ESX


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