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WhatNow Premium join:2009-05-06 Charlotte, NC	Watch your data rates go up. Let Skype build their own network. If the wireless companies lose the revenue from voice and SMS then look for the network to move to charging more for data. All these companies that game the system may win the battle and lose the war. If the money is not there then the network will not be improved as fast and you will see the problems the iPhone usage caused to spread and your charges go up.
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Gruesome join:2007-10-18 Milton, ON	In the end Networks are only a dumb pipe, eventually they will need to figure out how to survive this
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openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA kudos:2	And that will involve higher costs for everyone. This will not end well for consumers.
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n2jtx join:2001-01-13 Glen Head, NY Reviews: ·Optimum Online	said by openbox9: And that will involve higher costs for everyone. This will not end well for consumers. Why shouldn't the core Internet be any different than the delivery of electricity. For all intents and purposes, the power companies are "dumb pipes" that deliver electricity from the generating facility to the end user. They manage to survive and make a profit. The ISP's should be happy to be able to provide service at that point. -- I support the right to keep and arm bears.
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C_ Kill The Socialists Premium join:2001-03-19 kudos:3	said by n2jtx: said by openbox9: And that will involve higher costs for everyone. This will not end well for consumers. Why shouldn't the core Internet be any different than the delivery of electricity. For all intents and purposes, the power companies are "dumb pipes" that deliver electricity from the generating facility to the end user. They manage to survive and make a profit. The ISP's should be happy to be able to provide service at that point. electric companies charge by usage isp's dont -- "and no matter how drunk you get .. don't lick the wall socket to test polarity..."
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ashworth join:2001-10-06 Pittsburgh, PA 1 edit	reply to WhatNow You gotta pay to play... Skype is net based and wireless data rates are too high to make this feasible. Data rates will drop as more people use it and that is the real wave of the future...affordable wireless data rates !! Still have to pay to use "the dumb pipe". Are you saying they are blocking all Skype traffic ??
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brad join:2007-09-06 Etobicoke, ON	reply to C_ said by C_: electric companies charge by usage isp's dont A blanket statement and although that might be the case for your provider it is not true for many.
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en102 Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA	Exactly. All companies want to have their cake and eat it to (i.e. cap/overages + bar access to 'competitors').
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openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA kudos:2	reply to brad Are you discussing electric companies or ISPs when you state "not true for many"?
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openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA kudos:2	reply to n2jtx I'm not suggesting that ISPs can't be "dumb pipes". But I am suggesting that it will cost the end users a premium if that scenario should come about. Additionally, C_ has a valid point regarding the billing structure of utility companies. Are you ready for that from your ISP?
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jjeffeory join:2002-12-04 USA	reply to WhatNow There are more and more shills on here every week. These companies only have networks because of the content on the internet, NOT their content. ...and the price of SMS is bordering on usary... I've never fallen for it...
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jjeffeory join:2002-12-04 USA	reply to openbox9 said by openbox9: And that will involve higher costs for everyone. This will not end well for consumers. This will not end well for ISPs either...
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dvd536 as Mr. Pink as they come Premium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4	reply to C_ said by C_: said by n2jtx: said by openbox9: And that will involve higher costs for everyone. This will not end well for consumers. Why shouldn't the core Internet be any different than the delivery of electricity. For all intents and purposes, the power companies are "dumb pipes" that deliver electricity from the generating facility to the end user. They manage to survive and make a profit. The ISP's should be happy to be able to provide service at that point. electric companies charge by usage isp's dont thats why they want metered billing! metered billing has the isp CxO's creaming their jeans. -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee
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KrK Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK Reviews: ·AT&T DSL Service	reply to C_ said by C_: electric companies charge by usage isp's dont Even if ISP's move to this model, unlike Electricity, which has to be generated, bandwidth is very close to free with very minimal costs. The problem is, of course, ISP's won't charge you anything near cost. It will be thousands of percent higher. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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KrK Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK Reviews: ·AT&T DSL Service	reply to openbox9 It shouldn't if there was either 1) Proper regulation or 2) Real competition. Problem is, we'll get option 3) Useless regulation combined with lack of competition with extreme barriers to entry tossed in on top as icing. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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nevtxjustin join:2006-04-18 Dallas, TX	reply to KrK said by KrK: bandwidth is very close to free with very minimal costs. [cough]...$800 per month for a T1 in my area.
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KrK Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK Reviews: ·AT&T DSL Service	Very close to free in cost. Not in what is charged for it. Bandwith is basically almost all fixed costs, IE, installation of capacity. The actual costs of the traffic is negligible, but of course the business model must price all off the overhead into the billing. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA kudos:2	reply to jjeffeory I'm willing to bet that it will end better for ISPs than for consumers
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bicker join:2007-05-10 Burlington, MA	reply to C_ And that's the problem.
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stufried Premium join:2003-10-13	reply to KrK I pay $60 a month for five gigs of mobile data on a laptop access plan and five cents a meg beyond that. As long as what I am doing is not illegal, I should be able to use that anyway I want to. Mobile wireless data for PCs is a dumb pipe and that is all I want it to be. I'm not picking the service for the best home page or who gives me the best way to shoot my modest data limit in their walled garden. I want the fastest connection I can buy with the lowest latency. If I'm sitting in a booth in Santa Fe, a hotel room in New York, or wherever and I want to connect my notebook into the my Asterisks system, why should they care?
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