Topic 'Re: Apple - King of Media' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23069576 en Fri, 24 May 2013 11:42:46 EDT Fri, 24 May 2013 11:42:46 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23080274 said by fiberguy:

You're so caught up in apple bashing you have no idea what you're even talking about...

For one, I have 20 Windows machines, 6 of them are servers.. I have one iPhone, and one Mac Book Pro.. so I guess I'm an apple fanboy..

Seriously.. time to grow up.
Grow up? I've had the grown up discussion sad to say.

You Apple fanboys have ranted about them being the 'king of media'. The only real examples you gave were them being the best sellers of the dying music industry, and selling devices.

Lets understand some things. First, yes, the music industry IS DYING. Every year the music industry takes in less money. The movie and gaming industries at this point are far larger, and while Itunes sells these products, it certainly doesn't lead in sells.

If you honestly think that Apple is the 'king of media', you are an Apple fanboy, no matter how many windows machines you have.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23080274 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:44:27 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23079971
For one, I have 20 Windows machines, 6 of them are servers.. I have one iPhone, and one Mac Book Pro.. so I guess I'm an apple fanboy..

Seriously.. time to grow up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23079971 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:43:37 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23079109 said by Bandido :

So it WAS Apple, because if you jailbraked your phone, you could send MMS messages using AT&T, but the "Untouched" software for the Iphone didn't support that and there wasn't "an App for that". You actually had to go the not so "Legit" way, against Apple's Biblical Teachings and sin by Jailbraking your phone.
Funny how 3rd party hacks are better use for people then 'the king of medias' regular software...

King of media... Those Apple fanboys need to try using other stuff before making such idiotic remarks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23079109 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:33:48 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23079105 said by fiberguy:

You need to seriously seek help for the anger problem you have.. AND for the fact that you're sitting here trying to make Windows out to be gold while throwing daggers at everyone else over their choice or desire of software and hardware.
You are hilarious. I present facts, you whine, and it's obviously due to me bashing your Apple. I didn't know which version of Nahelem was running on the Mac Pro, but it doesn't matter since Xeon and X7 are BOTH the same type of chip, only one is for desktops and one for servers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23079105 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:32:05 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23078588 said by Bandido :

So it WAS Apple, because if you jailbraked your phone, you could send MMS messages using AT&T, but the "Untouched" software for the Iphone didn't support that and there wasn't "an App for that". You actually had to go the not so "Legit" way, against Apple's Biblical Teachings and sin by Jailbraking your phone.
There we go.
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I have a hardon for placing blame where it's due. If I didn't like the phone at all, I wouldn't own one. See below:
Before OS 3.0, Apple didn't support it. Apple fankids seem to "forget" stuff like that. I own an iPhone (and a G1) which my girlfriend uses on T-Mobile. Yes it does MMS now thanks to the 3.0 software. Before? Not so much. Not without swirlyMMS - and I don't exactly count requiring 3rd party apps to get MMS as Apple "supporting" MMS on the iPhone.

So again, place blame where it's due. Blame ATT for their horrible 3g call quality, dropped calls, and poor data in the bigger cities, but the inability to do MMS was APPLE's creation, and the lack of support now is *mostly* thanks to Apple's original lack of support. The iPhone's lack of support of a decade-old technology required ATT to use a different system for receiving MMS, and now iPhone fankids are blaming ATT because it's taking a few months longer to reconfigure those settings.

You kids were obviously happy with the first 2 years of not having that basic feature - why so pissy about an extra few months?
This is so true. Apple fanbois is try to defend Steve at all costs.

Apple didn't install the MMS software until 3.0.

It is BOTH AT&T's and APPLE's FAULT.
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I am no Apple fan. You seriously cannot be this blind!!!
MMS is all on AT&T, AT&T did not get 2rd party software to work..Its a hack from someone other then AT&T and you cannot even get it unless you jailbreak your phone. it also does not work very well (FOR AT&T USers) at all and mostly not for very long because they end of making it not work. You have no idea what your talking about. Stop hating, go try one before actinkg like you do.
What are you talking about?

MMS is *not* all AT&T. Apple didn't have the capability to do MMS from iPhone 1.0.

What is a hack? MMS? Why do all other phones have MMS then?

You have no idea what you're talking about.

APPLE & AT&T are BOTH to blame!
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I am no Apple fan. You seriously cannot be this blind!!!
MMS is all on AT&T, AT&T did not get 2rd party software to work..Its a hack from someone other then AT&T and you cannot even get it unless you jailbreak your phone. it also does not work very well (FOR AT&T USers) at all and mostly not for very long because they end of making it not work. You have no idea what your talking about. Stop hating, go try one before actinkg like you do.
right so i'm going to repost the "more informative" part of my removed posts:

ATT has no affiliation with SwirlyMMS. That's not what i'm talking about when I say they had to work around Apple's lack of MMS support.

I was referring to the website that ATT directs your received MMS messages to for viewing. Since it's not supported on the phone, I labeled it "3rd party". I guess it's technically "2nd" party, since ATT set it up as a service to its customers who couldn't receive MMS thanks to Apple's lack of support. This still didn't allow for sending MMS in any official means, of course. Why? Because the OS didn't support sending MMS.

I'm well aware of Apple's lack of official support of MMS until 3.0, considering my own ownership of an iPhone that i'm using on T-Mobile. This is something i've alread posted in this thread.
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said by Qumahlin:

said by tiger72:

How is Apple "King of Media" when it took them 3 years to enable the most basic multimedia feature on cell phones for over a decade? The Multimedia Message. Of course, leave it to Apple fankids to forget that, and only point the blame at ATT (which happily allows MMS for everyone else).
It's simple. It's not an apple issue. I had MMS on my 2g iphone, I have MMS on my 3g iphone. It has nothing to do with the phone, its ATT...thats why "apple fankids" point to ATT.
And friends on ATT had MMS on their nokias and motorolas and samsungs for years, and continue to have them. On ATT. Hrmm, so it seems like that's not ATT's "lack of support".
Are you really under the impression the iphone hasn't supported MMS because of Apple? Do you see Apple mentioned in this article? Is Apple the ones running the MMSC servers? Is apple also operating on the side as a MMS aggregator that no one but you is aware of?
Ahh, yes the fankid comes out. The fact that ATT had to use a 3rd party solution for the iPhone (which is partially to blame for this mess) is apparently irrelevant. The first 2 years that the iPhone didn't support MMS was fine, but god forbid ATT have issues manually resetting people's iPhone-tagged accounts to direct messages back to the phones a few months after Apple (in their infinite wisdom) finally supports a standard that's been around for over a decade.
You do realize MMS is set in the CARRIER profile right? Last I checked Apple was not the carrier anymore than Motorola is a carrier.
And last I checked, the carrier (ATT) supports MMS on every other device.

If ATT was so concerned about data issues from MMS (which your iphone fanboi blogs like to contend), they could simply do what most network operators do: restrict the content size. downrez photos to 640x480, and limit video to 30 seconds (only on the 3gs of course, the first 2 iphones apparently can't do that very basic multimedia feature either).

Is ATT partially at fault for all of this? Yes. Is Apple? YES.

Only you fankids think that Apple's infallible hands are clean of this mess.
I am no Apple fan. You seriously cannot be this blind!!!
MMS is all on AT&T, AT&T did not get 2rd party software to work..Its a hack from someone other then AT&T and you cannot even get it unless you jailbreak your phone. it also does not work very well (FOR AT&T USers) at all and mostly not for very long because they end of making it not work. You have no idea what your talking about. Stop hating, go try one before actinkg like you do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23074797 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:36:25 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23074507
:uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23074507 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:45:21 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23074247 said by GeekJedi:

You had me interested until you used "fankids".

You've completely discredit your entire opinion. It's hard to take you seriously when you sound like a 12 year-old, much like the guys who feel the need to insert a "$" when they spell Microsoft.

Why don't you just refer to Apple as a bunch of "poopyheads"?
Then you're not my target audience. I'm talking to/about the iphone/apple fankids who choose to ignore reality for their own skewed view of a world where apple is infallible and everyone else is at fault for the shortcomings of their phone. The ones who ate up the original explanation of why the iphone didn't support MMS "because email is more efficient anyways", and thought that was a great excuse.

If you're not an apple fankid, you're not who i'm speaking to.
said by notafanboy :

as my name says im not a fan boy however, mms has been included in the iphone software for years, i know for a fact all 3g models shipped from apple had it built in, other countries that have providers that use iphones had enabled mms along time ago, especially those in Europe.
you mind providing any evidence of this?
iphoneOS didn't support MMS until OS 3.0.
»www.macworld.com/article/141070/···mms.html
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said by HappyBunny:

said by tiger72:

How is Apple "King of Media" when it took them 3 years to enable the most basic multimedia feature on cell phones for over a decade? The Multimedia Message. Of course, leave it to Apple fankids to forget that, and only point the blame at ATT (which happily allows MMS for everyone else).
Because it is AT&T who disables it, not Apple. I have an iPhone on T-Mobile and my MMS has been working for ages.

Check your facts before you just rush to beat on Apple.
Facts, shmacts. The dude has a hard-on for trashing the phone. Who knows why.

The posts are short on facts, like the "oh they need a 3rd party provider", yes, they do, and it's the same one that's doing the MMS junk for the other much more awesome phones that have had MMS for "a decade" (erm..).
I have a hardon for placing blame where it's due. If I didn't like the phone at all, I wouldn't own one. See below:
said by HappyBunny:

said by tiger72:

How is Apple "King of Media" when it took them 3 years to enable the most basic multimedia feature on cell phones for over a decade? The Multimedia Message. Of course, leave it to Apple fankids to forget that, and only point the blame at ATT (which happily allows MMS for everyone else).
Because it is AT&T who disables it, not Apple. I have an iPhone on T-Mobile and my MMS has been working for ages.

Check your facts before you just rush to beat on Apple.
Before OS 3.0, Apple didn't support it. Apple fankids seem to "forget" stuff like that. I own an iPhone (and a G1) which my girlfriend uses on T-Mobile. Yes it does MMS now thanks to the 3.0 software. Before? Not so much. Not without swirlyMMS - and I don't exactly count requiring 3rd party apps to get MMS as Apple "supporting" MMS on the iPhone.

So again, place blame where it's due. Blame ATT for their horrible 3g call quality, dropped calls, and poor data in the bigger cities, but the inability to do MMS was APPLE's creation, and the lack of support now is *mostly* thanks to Apple's original lack of support. The iPhone's lack of support of a decade-old technology required ATT to use a different system for receiving MMS, and now iPhone fankids are blaming ATT because it's taking a few months longer to reconfigure those settings.

You kids were obviously happy with the first 2 years of not having that basic feature - why so pissy about an extra few months?
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said by Metatron2008:

Xeons are made for servers, not desktops, genius. Servers usually run Windows or Linux, not OSX. Either way, it's highly idiotic.

And btw, core i7 is far better for normal desktop use then Xeons.
Really, smartass? »www.apple.com/server/macosx/

and servers still operate on Unix as well.. similarly to what Linux is based on which is what apple O/S is based on too.. hrmmmmm... back to the drawing board for you?
Before you link me to Apple's server page, you may want to actually know facts...

»www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open···-Server/

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In 2000, Windows comprised about half of the server operating system market, followed by Unix and Netware at about 17 percent each and Linux reaching towards 10 percent, she said, noting that today Windows owns about 70 percent, Linux about 20 percent, with Unix below 10 percent and Netware barely registering.


The server market is dominated by Windows and Linux, and showing Apples product makes as much sense as me making a server OS and linking you to it. No matter how much you want to cry about it, Linux and Microsoft are what matters in the server market.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23073802 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:12:15 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23073741 said by Metatron2008:

Xeons are made for servers, not desktops, genius. Servers usually run Windows or Linux, not OSX. Either way, it's highly idiotic.

And btw, core i7 is far better for normal desktop use then Xeons.
Really, smartass? »www.apple.com/server/macosx/

and servers still operate on Unix as well.. similarly to what Linux is based on which is what apple O/S is based on too.. hrmmmmm... back to the drawing board for you?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23073741 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 03:09:47 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23073730
But, you're acting and sounding like a child here.. the very fact you're attacking price exposes some sort of personal issue you've got going on in your head.. to attack someone for allegedly spending too much money on something puts you at about the 5th grade mentality... what people spend is non of your business. The fact you say "you apple fanboys are amusing" while defending your own turf makes you, yourself a "fanboy"... I don't care what you're a fan of on either side.. "fanboys" make me want to vomit in the first place as you guys think that you're some sort of player in the creation of the object you love so much.. you're just a consumer..

You have something that works for you.. great.. shut up and leave everyone the hell alone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23073730 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 03:07:21 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23073719 said by dlewis23:

@ Time

Apple wont sign up with a CDMA provider, It doesn't make since for them to have to remake a device for 1 market.

If anything I would expect them to go to T-Mobile and AT&T at the same time.

The only time I could ever see Apple going to verizon is when LTE is there primary network.
Ummmmm.. you really don't know this one bit for certain.

Changing a radio inside and a few small programming items is not hardly any major feat for apple to do.. as it was already said, too, it was originally designed for CDMA..

RIM has the Blackberry which is designed for EVERY carrier on the globe now... (not to mention MANY models as well)... It has the Curve for ATT, Sprint, Verizon, and even Nextel now... it has a faster growth rate and more market share than the iPhone (which I love, for the record).. it's clearly not difficult to engineer a phone for another carrier's technology..

So, tell me this, if you know so well, what makes the iPhone any different, or more special, or more difficult of a phone to cross platform than any other ol' cell phone made... huh?

You guys really need to stop with the talking points, or at least stop listening to each other as sources around here becuase so many people are so wrong so much of the time.

One more fact, and this is fact... apple does NOT exactly run around telling everyone their business but USUALLY does about the time of launch.. apple has been WELL known to keep a tight lip on many of the upcoming products the offer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23073719 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 03:00:51 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23073708 said by Gbcue:

said by beaups:

the software has been there for ages, if you jailbreak. SwirlyMMS....
Qumahlin See Profile didn't mention that.
... it's common knowledge.. and often discussed on this very site.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23073708 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:53:53 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23073497
And btw, core i7 is far better for normal desktop use then Xeons.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23073497 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:53:16 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23073360 said by Metatron2008:

Whatever. Last I looked at a Mac Pro they used the i7 processors.

And the fact that the Mac Pro uses A Xeon that is EXACTLY THE SAME as my 1366 but has ECC or support for multiple cpus is not helping your point.
The fact that Mac Pros have NEVER run i7 processors isn't helping you counter-argue his point about your ignorance.

Mac Pros are professional grade gear, comparable to the Dell Precision workstations. ECC memory exists for a reason.
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said by tiger72:

How is Apple "King of Media" when it took them 3 years to enable the most basic multimedia feature on cell phones for over a decade? The Multimedia Message. Of course, leave it to Apple fankids to forget that, and only point the blame at ATT (which happily allows MMS for everyone else).
Because it is AT&T who disables it, not Apple. I have an iPhone on T-Mobile and my MMS has been working for ages.

Check your facts before you just rush to beat on Apple.
Facts, shmacts. The dude has a hard-on for trashing the phone. Who knows why.

The posts are short on facts, like the "oh they need a 3rd party provider", yes, they do, and it's the same one that's doing the MMS junk for the other much more awesome phones that have had MMS for "a decade" (erm..).
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How is Apple "King of Media" when it took them 3 years to enable the most basic multimedia feature on cell phones for over a decade? The Multimedia Message. Of course, leave it to Apple fankids to forget that, and only point the blame at ATT (which happily allows MMS for everyone else).
Because it is AT&T who disables it, not Apple. I have an iPhone on T-Mobile and my MMS has been working for ages.

Check your facts before you just rush to beat on Apple.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23072610 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:14:11 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23072165 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23072165 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:54:58 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23072065
You've completely discredit your entire opinion. It's hard to take you seriously when you sound like a 12 year-old, much like the guys who feel the need to insert a "$" when they spell Microsoft.

Why don't you just refer to Apple as a bunch of "poopyheads"?
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That said, I'm not buying a Mac Pro anytime soon. However I like my late 2007 iMac, my early 2009 MacBook and will probably get the video iPod nano after I review it.

Also, the music industry isn't collapsing. It's just changing and the RIAA is whining about the changes being made. iTunes bolstered this new music industry and is doing quite well for itself. Apple is actually the #1 manufacturer of PMPs in the US and possibly the world, though I'm not sure on the last part. I think Sandisk and Creative are second and third respecitvely, but they're WAAAAAAAY down the list.

There are fanboys (I'm not one of them...not after Apple decided to keep the iPhone on the nation's least reliable wireless network) and there are haters. You appear to fall in the latter group. The haters IMO are worse off.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23071979 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:04:22 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23071874 said by Time:

said by Metatron2008:

Whatever. Last I looked at a Mac Pro they used the i7 processors.

And the fact that the Mac Pro uses A Xeon that is EXACTLY THE SAME as my 1366 but has ECC or support for multiple cpus is not helping your point.
Obviously you've never looked at a Mac Pro then.

Your point is that Macs are too expensive. Either you're a Windows fanboy, or you are simply angry that another individual has more cash to drop on a desktop than you do. When I bought my Mac Pro, I knew I was getting a desktop that used quality parts with an OS that is 10x more stable (and less of a resource hog) than the piece of shit Vista is. Windows 7 is obviously a different story, and I've got my copy pre-ordered and a bootcamp partition waiting. You like PCs, I like Macs, get over yourself.

As far as your comment earlier:

And other devices that handle media? You mean the same way pcs handle media, or things like Wii, Xbox 360, PS3?
Please consult a grade school English teacher regarding reading comprehension. I said "PORTABLE" devices.

Music seller? The slowly collapsing music industry now makes you a king of media?
What the hell does the "collapsing music industry" have to do with Apple and iTunes? I mentioned the fact that iTunes is the largest "music store" with the most customers, and that is your response? Considering Apple sells not only music, but movies, podcasts, and TV Shows, I'd say "yes", they are the king of media in combination with their highly popular portable (there's that word again) devices.
More money to spend? I just bought an EEE Box for my kitchen. No, you Apple fanboys are amusing, in the fact that you waste money on overpriced goods.

And I put Ubuntu on the kitchen pc, so don't start with accusations of me being a windows fanboy. I put together all of my pcs, and I take 30 minutes to do it. Is $800-1000 for the rest of the pc worth my 30 minutes to put it together?

All parts are made in China, just like all windows pc. Your overpaying for a pretty shell and different OS.

And that makes you the king of media again? Again, lots of places do exactly as you said, including Amazon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23071874 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:42:18 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23071325 said by Metatron2008:

Whatever. Last I looked at a Mac Pro they used the i7 processors.

And the fact that the Mac Pro uses A Xeon that is EXACTLY THE SAME as my 1366 but has ECC or support for multiple cpus is not helping your point.
Obviously you've never looked at a Mac Pro then.

Your point is that Macs are too expensive. Either you're a Windows fanboy, or you are simply angry that another individual has more cash to drop on a desktop than you do. When I bought my Mac Pro, I knew I was getting a desktop that used quality parts with an OS that is 10x more stable (and less of a resource hog) than the piece of shit Vista is. Windows 7 is obviously a different story, and I've got my copy pre-ordered and a bootcamp partition waiting. You like PCs, I like Macs, get over yourself.

As far as your comment earlier:

And other devices that handle media? You mean the same way pcs handle media, or things like Wii, Xbox 360, PS3?
Please consult a grade school English teacher regarding reading comprehension. I said "PORTABLE" devices.

Music seller? The slowly collapsing music industry now makes you a king of media?
What the hell does the "collapsing music industry" have to do with Apple and iTunes? I mentioned the fact that iTunes is the largest "music store" with the most customers, and that is your response? Considering Apple sells not only music, but movies, podcasts, and TV Shows, I'd say "yes", they are the king of media in combination with their highly popular portable (there's that word again) devices.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23071325 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:04:11 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23071290 said by Time:

If Apple was going to sign with any CDMA provider, it'd probably be Sprint, especially given the fact that they've really turned that company around over the last year or so. I have both Sprint and AT&T, and the customer service I receive from Sprint is leaps and bounds above AT&T. I had some signal issues when I got my Sprint phone, but they just put up a new tower down the street, and the network is zoooooooming fast (for wireless). If I could get Sprint's data speeds with AT&T's local call quality, that'd be the perfect wireless service.
Cold day in hell will Apple go on a non-800 mhz carrier. 1/3rd of its fanbase would be gone by their address not qualifying for service, the other 1/3rd would quickly leave and curse Tmobile/Sprint/Apple forever.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23071290 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:57:08 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23071098
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Exactly my point that I have been trying to get across for about a year now. When AT&T said that there will not be MMS/TXT support on the iPhone - Apple should have turned around and thrown a fit and alerted the customers and setup ways to complain to AT&T. Or even better, create their own text messaging service...if they can build an OS I am fairly certain they can build something as trivial as a text messaging service. But Apple did NOTHING and sat back and let the money roll in. I don't understand why people support them? I mean I would only support a company who in turn supports the customer. Also, Apple has basically labeled a good chunk of its user base as criminals. Now, that to me is a slap in the face if I ever saw one. But yet people keep buying Apple products *sigh*.

You could be thinking "well it's not the companies responsibility to lead a petition" - it damn well is. Look at Dish network when the main provider of programming wanted to raise the rates? Dish Network said FU to them and instead of raising the rates by $1 I believe it was only raised about half that after everything was said and done. »www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2···6,00.asp
All you have to do is mention 'M$' to the idiots and they'll run to Apple like morons to a big van saying 'free candy']]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23071010 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:10:19 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070994 said by tiger72:

said by Qumahlin:

said by tiger72:

How is Apple "King of Media" when it took them 3 years to enable the most basic multimedia feature on cell phones for over a decade? The Multimedia Message. Of course, leave it to Apple fankids to forget that, and only point the blame at ATT (which happily allows MMS for everyone else).
It's simple. It's not an apple issue. I had MMS on my 2g iphone, I have MMS on my 3g iphone. It has nothing to do with the phone, its ATT...thats why "apple fankids" point to ATT.
And friends on ATT had MMS on their nokias and motorolas and samsungs for years, and continue to have them. On ATT. Hrmm, so it seems like that's not ATT's "lack of support".
Are you really under the impression the iphone hasn't supported MMS because of Apple? Do you see Apple mentioned in this article? Is Apple the ones running the MMSC servers? Is apple also operating on the side as a MMS aggregator that no one but you is aware of?
Ahh, yes the fankid comes out. The fact that ATT had to use a 3rd party solution for the iPhone (which is partially to blame for this mess) is apparently irrelevant. The first 2 years that the iPhone didn't support MMS was fine, but god forbid ATT have issues manually resetting people's iPhone-tagged accounts to direct messages back to the phones a few months after Apple (in their infinite wisdom) finally supports a standard that's been around for over a decade.
You do realize MMS is set in the CARRIER profile right? Last I checked Apple was not the carrier anymore than Motorola is a carrier.
And last I checked, the carrier (ATT) supports MMS on every other device.

If ATT was so concerned about data issues from MMS (which your iphone fanboi blogs like to contend), they could simply do what most network operators do: restrict the content size. downrez photos to 640x480, and limit video to 30 seconds (only on the 3gs of course, the first 2 iphones apparently can't do that very basic multimedia feature either).

Is ATT partially at fault for all of this? Yes. Is Apple? YES.

Only you fankids think that Apple's infallible hands are clean of this mess.
Exactly my point that I have been trying to get across for about a year now. When AT&T said that there will not be MMS/TXT support on the iPhone - Apple should have turned around and thrown a fit and alerted the customers and setup ways to complain to AT&T. Or even better, create their own text messaging service...if they can build an OS I am fairly certain they can build something as trivial as a text messaging service. But Apple did NOTHING and sat back and let the money roll in. I don't understand why people support them? I mean I would only support a company who in turn supports the customer. Also, Apple has basically labeled a good chunk of its user base as criminals. Now, that to me is a slap in the face if I ever saw one. But yet people keep buying Apple products *sigh*.

You could be thinking "well it's not the companies responsibility to lead a petition" - it damn well is. Look at Dish network when the main provider of programming wanted to raise the rates? Dish Network said FU to them and instead of raising the rates by $1 I believe it was only raised about half that after everything was said and done. »www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2···6,00.asp]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070994 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:08:03 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070961
And the fact that the Mac Pro uses A Xeon that is EXACTLY THE SAME as my 1366 but has ECC or support for multiple cpus is not helping your point.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070961 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:03:09 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070914 said by Metatron2008:

said by Time:

said by Metatron2008:

Music seller? The slowly collapsing music industry now makes you a king of media?

And other devices that handle media? You mean the same way pcs handle media, or things like Wii, Xbox 360, PS3?

The only thing Apple is king of is overpricing things.
Obviously I can't argue with ignorance.
Ignorance? You mean the same ignorance that got me a core i7 920, 6 gigs ram, and a asus p6t system with 2 1tb drives (1 internal, 1 external), at microcenter/newegg for less then $1,000 versus the $2,400 price for the same system on a Mac Pro?

Except the Mac Pro had worse ram and smaller hard drive.

If you count my entire system (Antec 900 case, $200 gtx 260), the amount comes to around $1600.

If that's ignorance, then what is not?
The Mac Pro doesn't use an i7, it uses the Nehalem Xeon which are close to $1000 alone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070914 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:55:12 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070895 said by Time:

said by Metatron2008:

Music seller? The slowly collapsing music industry now makes you a king of media?

And other devices that handle media? You mean the same way pcs handle media, or things like Wii, Xbox 360, PS3?

The only thing Apple is king of is overpricing things.
Obviously I can't argue with ignorance.
Ignorance? You mean the same ignorance that got me a core i7 920, 6 gigs ram, and a asus p6t system with 2 1tb drives (1 internal, 1 external), at microcenter/newegg for less then $1,000 versus the $2,400 price for the same system on a Mac Pro?

Except the Mac Pro had worse ram and smaller hard drive.

If you count my entire system (Antec 900 case, $200 gtx 260), the amount comes to around $1600.

If that's ignorance, then what is not?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070895 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:49:32 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070814 said by Metatron2008:

Music seller? The slowly collapsing music industry now makes you a king of media?

And other devices that handle media? You mean the same way pcs handle media, or things like Wii, Xbox 360, PS3?

The only thing Apple is king of is overpricing things.
Obviously I can't argue with ignorance.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070814 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:30:12 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070801 said by Metatron2008:

said by JessicaAlba:

I hate AT&T.

I will have to keep using »interactiveiphone.com for MMS since it looks like AT&Ts servers are going to crash and burn!!

Seriously, what do you (AT&T) do with the $30 I send you every month???
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I hate AT&T.

I will have to keep using »interactiveiphone.com for MMS since it looks like AT&Ts servers are going to crash and burn!!

Seriously, what do you (AT&T) do with the $30 I send you every month???
Bribes to politicians and executive pay]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070751 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:17:38 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070730
I will have to keep using »interactiveiphone.com for MMS since it looks like AT&Ts servers are going to crash and burn!!

Seriously, what do you (AT&T) do with the $30 I send you every month???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070730 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:15:00 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070715
And other devices that handle media? You mean the same way pcs handle media, or things like Wii, Xbox 360, PS3?

The only thing Apple is king of is overpricing things.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070715 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:13:03 EDT Re: Apple - King of Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070527 said by Qumahlin:

said by tiger72:

How is Apple "King of Media" when it took them 3 years to enable the most basic multimedia feature on cell phones for over a decade? The Multimedia Message. Of course, leave it to Apple fankids to forget that, and only point the blame at ATT (which happily allows MMS for everyone else).
It's simple. It's not an apple issue. I had MMS on my 2g iphone, I have MMS on my 3g iphone. It has nothing to do with the phone, its ATT...thats why "apple fankids" point to ATT.And friends on ATT had MMS on their nokias and motorolas and samsungs for years, and continue to have them. On ATT. Hrmm, so it seems like that's not ATT's "lack of support".
Are you really under the impression the iphone hasn't supported MMS because of Apple? Do you see Apple mentioned in this article? Is Apple the ones running the MMSC servers? Is apple also operating on the side as a MMS aggregator that no one but you is aware of?
Ahh, yes the fankid comes out. The fact that ATT had to use a 3rd party solution for the iPhone (which is partially to blame for this mess) is apparently irrelevant. The first 2 years that the iPhone didn't support MMS was fine, but god forbid ATT have issues manually resetting people's iPhone-tagged accounts to direct messages back to the phones a few months after Apple (in their infinite wisdom) finally supports a standard that's been around for over a decade.
You do realize MMS is set in the CARRIER profile right? Last I checked Apple was not the carrier anymore than Motorola is a carrier.
And last I checked, the carrier (ATT) supports MMS on every other device.

If ATT was so concerned about data issues from MMS (which your iphone fanboi blogs like to contend), they could simply do what most network operators do: restrict the content size. downrez photos to 640x480, and limit video to 30 seconds (only on the 3gs of course, the first 2 iphones apparently can't do that very basic multimedia feature either).

Is ATT partially at fault for all of this? Yes. Is Apple? YES.

Only you fankids think that Apple's infallible hands are clean of this mess.
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King of Media? I suppose all you do is go to the Apple Store every day to hang out with people like you?
iTunes is the largest music seller in the world. They manufacture some of the most successful portable devices that ALSO handle media.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apple-King-of-Media-23070437 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:32:24 EDT