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NOVA_Guy
ObamaCare Kills Americans
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reply to rit56

Re: Socialism

Let's keep the conversation on track and leave the public option health care crap that will allow the government to euthanize our senior citizens for another thread.

Government regulation has its place, just as government has its place. Government's function should be very limited in role and scope in our lives, not the lumbering behemoth that needlessly pokes its nose into everything from executive compensation to whether you're changing your child's diapers properly.

A relatively weak central government that left most power to the states is what our founding fathers envisioned. The primary role of our government should be protection (i.e. defense, police, fire, etc) and infrastructure (i.e. roads, bridges, etc).

Now, I would argue that the definition of "infrastructure" has changed somewhat over the past couple decades when it comes to what is important for commerce in the United States. Today's definition of "infrastructure" should include at least a cursory role in regulating companies that provide access to the internet. Such actions not only help to ensure that consumers aren't wholly taken advantage of-- they also help ensure that our citizens have access to technology and information to put us on a level playing field with other nations.

Based upon the importance of broadband in our lives today, I might even be tempted to elevate broadband internet connections to the level of a utility. Just like electricity, water, phone, and gas, broadband can be an important part of people's lives. This argument, coupled with little to no active price competition in many markets, and high costs/barriers to entry, could justify a certain amount of government oversight and regulation of the industry.

As always, the devil is in the details. I'm sure that the Obama leftists and the capitalists on this site will find plenty of room to disagree on just what the correct amount of oversight and regulation is.

See-- the answer isn't always pure socialism or pure capitalism. I think Obama is an idiot and just plain wrong on most things, but his ideas around creating a broadband infrastructure might turn out half decent.
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After listening to his UN speech, I'm convinced that Obama has a major self esteem problem and is projecting it upon the United States. He is more concerned with winning popularity contests than with keeping us safe.



Karl Bode
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See-- the answer isn't always pure socialism or pure capitalism.
Yes, I find it odd that a balance between socialism and capitalism with reasonable regulation proposed by a marginally objective legislative body is such an alien possibility to so many people...


KrK
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said by Karl Bode:

See-- the answer isn't always pure socialism or pure capitalism.
Yes, I find it odd that a balance between socialism and capitalism with reasonable regulation proposed by a marginally objective legislative body is such an alien possibility to so many people...
... Especially as it's so alien they don't see that's what they already live under. Can't see the forest for the trees, indeed.

Communism one one side; Capitalism on the other. Neither works alone.. Socialism is the only way.
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini


Karl Bode
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Especially as it's so alien they don't see that's what they already live under.
Most Americans have never left the country. They don't know socialism, fascism or ventriloquism from silly putty. At this point, "socialism" is used by professional distortionists as a buzz word to conjure up images of scary bearded individuals wielding AK-47s. With failing schools that increasingly forget to teach critical thinking it's not surprising I guess.


KodiacZiller
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said by Karl Bode:

Especially as it's so alien they don't see that's what they already live under.
Most Americans have never left the country. They don't know socialism, fascism or ventriloquism from silly putty. At this point, "socialism" is used by professional distortionists as a buzz word to conjure up images of scary bearded individuals wielding AK-47s. With failing schools that increasingly forget to teach critical thinking it's not surprising I guess.
The ironic thing is that these failing schools are a result of socialism.


S_engineer
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Schools aren't failing due to "socialism", they're in trouble due to the fact that the children are being bombarded with peripheral influences. This is a Direct result of the programming that has diseased our youth for the past twenty-some years. Jerry Springer was one of the most egregious piles of s*it in this regard. Kids thought that was the way you act, and they brought that attitude to school. Disrupting class after class, this is an epidemic that has cost a generation a proper educational foundation. And to continue that spiral of ignorance, you have Rap music. Try teaching a kid how to respect authority with a Rap song. Billions and Billions of dollars wasted per year by the same sh*tbags that want you to bow before them while they walk the red carpet to accept their Oscar, Emmy, or Grammy.
Don't blame socialism...just find out what your kid is watching and what he/she is listening to!
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KodiacZiller
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I don't disagree about the influences in society.

However, my point was that the government spends countless billions on our public schools (spending has increased dramatically over the last decade) and yet our students perform *worse* than they ever have. This proves that government spending (aka socialism) is not the answer. This is why the government is inefficient: the idiots in Congress are not spending *their own* money. It's very easy to be wasteful with someone else's money. This is why the private sector is far more efficient -- they are in it for a profit, not to get reelected or to spend "feel good" money. Ergo, they will make every dollar count.

(NOTE: this is not to defend bandwidth capping, etc. I actually agree that net neutrality is a good thing).



Karl Bode
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reply to KodiacZiller

The ironic thing is that these failing schools are a result of socialism.
As the son of a 40-year school social worker, schools are failing in part because we as a culture place a low priority on intellect and critical thinking. Money from the private sector also lures the smartest teachers away from schools (that would be a case of too little funding). Which, ironically, leads to people not having any idea what socialism even means.


axiomatic

join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX

Dang Karl, that was DEAD ON!

Schools are failing because the average kid is far smarter and less influenced by adult sociological norms. They have yet to be forced to swallow the "conformity" pill forced upon us by the companies we adults work for. They are true individuals that speak with an honest truth that is always dismissed by the old and jaded as "innocent immaturity" when in truth the kids are usually spot on with what most would call a decent unbiased well balanced human being.

Kids speak with their hearts on their sleeves instead of the double talk and duplicity that if an adult does not adhere too they will usually not advance in their careers beyond much more than a retail employee.

It is us adults who are broken.

Back on topic: Net neutrality is only offensive to someone who is looking to capitalize and prey on the uninformed. As long as network professionals like us keep speaking the truth about the lies and double-talk being "sold" to the general public then we should be able to keep the wolves at bay.


Max Greene

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reply to NOVA_Guy

as soon as you mentioned euthanizing anyone you showed your hand, and that you have ZERO credibility.