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| Keeping pace How about faster speeds to keep pace with the rest of the world? Innovation? How about trying to outpace countries with much faster speeds? I guess that doesn't mean much to ISP's here in the U.S.
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·exede by ViaSat
| said by KillABrew:Your points sound more like wants than needs. Is keeping up with the Jones a reason to do it? So what's the point of other countries having 2-3X the speed we have then? Is it a need? That's what I wonder. |
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said by Luminaris:How about faster speeds to keep pace with the rest of the world? Who gives a shit about the rest of the world? Just because some Korean WoW gold miner demands an 100Gbps optical connection shoved up his ass doesn't mean squat for Billy Bob in the backwoods of Virgina.
Innovation? Is bendable fiber NOT innovation?
How about trying to outpace countries with much faster speeds? See Korean WoW gold miner.
I guess that doesn't mean much to ISP's here in the U.S. Just as the US market means squat to the rest of the world. The Australian and UK markets don't capitulate to demands from the rest of the world telling them to go unmetered. Belgium doesn't give a rats ass that some Sweedish pirate has fiber to the home. Someone from South Africa doesn't care that his neighbor country just to the north doesn't have ANY broadband.
Every market is different. And we are not the typical broadband user. Just because people on dslreports.com are clamoring for the 100Gbps optical link shoved up our asses doesn't mean that the users in Bumblefuck, VA demand it, or even someone next door. |
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With the speeds VZ offers now I think it is more important to keep the quality of service up (low/no outages, no slowness during peak times on their network) than trying to provide higher speed rates. If you ever get a chance to switch to Fios you will see what I mean. It just works... |
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Wow, just, WOW. Dude, you got issues |
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said by psx_defector:said by Luminaris:How about faster speeds to keep pace with the rest of the world? Who gives a shit about the rest of the world? Just because some Korean WoW gold miner demands an 100Gbps optical connection shoved up his ass doesn't mean squat for Billy Bob in the backwoods of Virgina. Innovation? Is bendable fiber NOT innovation? How about trying to outpace countries with much faster speeds? See Korean WoW gold miner. I guess that doesn't mean much to ISP's here in the U.S. Just as the US market means squat to the rest of the world. The Australian and UK markets don't capitulate to demands from the rest of the world telling them to go unmetered. Belgium doesn't give a rats ass that some Sweedish pirate has fiber to the home. Someone from South Africa doesn't care that his neighbor country just to the north doesn't have ANY broadband. Every market is different. And we are not the typical broadband user. Just because people on dslreports.com are clamoring for the 100Gbps optical link shoved up our asses doesn't mean that the users in Bumblefuck, VA demand it, or even someone next door. Hi Ignorant America! Haven't talked to you in awhile. |
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said by Luminaris:So what's the point of other countries having 2-3X the speed we have then? Is it a need? That's what I wonder. Residential speed is a chicken N egg problem.
Application and service providers are not going to develop applications that need very high speed until there is a large enough population of users to justify it. If we were all still constrained to dialup most of the applications and services we take for granted today would not be practical.
Video libraries and video on demand is very demanding. HD feed requires about 15 Mbps. For a family of four the sweet spot is 100 Mbps. 3-D when it happens will need even more bandwidth.
Telecommuting is popular but often limited by how quickly data flows between employee and office.
New immersive games and virtual reality all require high capacity fast connections.
Ultimately the upper bound is driven by human physiology and compression algorithms.
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said by Luminaris:Wow, just, WOW. Dude, you got issues Only issue I got is people demanding ridiculous levels of bandwidth for absolutely no reason.
"People in Korea get 100Gbps shoved up their asses where ever they go, why doesn't AT&T do that for me in Bumblefuck, VA? They ain't being competitive!!"
Do we hear:
"People in Amsterdam get to smoke pot and screw hookers all day. Why doesn't America allow that? They ain't being competitive!!!!"
Every market is different. People need to quit thinking that something half way around the world has any bearing on what we do here in the States.
You don't need 100Mbps. Don't give me crap about video, VPNers, and games driving the need for more bandwidth. Piracy was the killer app for broadband expansion at the beginning of the decade, and piracy is the killer app that will drive broadband expansion into the next. For every bit of bandwidth you spend looking at videos, I bet you there are two or three BitTorrent client running full boar up and down.
Verizon has the ability to provide the mythical 100Gbps fiber run up your ass. Normal people don't need it, normal people don't want it. |
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| said by psx_defector:said by Luminaris:Wow, just, WOW. Dude, you got issues Only issue I got is people demanding ridiculous levels of bandwidth for absolutely no reason. First, who do you think you are that you can tell someone what their reasons for wanting a fast connection are?
Second, the equiment costs are based on a global marketplace.
So if it is possible in Sweeden it is possible in Los Angles.
Please get off your soap box |
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| said by backness:First, who do you think you are that you can tell someone what their reasons for wanting a fast connection are? Because that's what people do with their connections. Don't act like it's not.
Second, the equiment costs are based on a global marketplace. No, they are not. A good example. I'm buying a Draytek Vigor 2820Vn. I can get it for either $250US or £180GBP. It comes from the same factory in mainland China, but what's the difference in cost? Regulatory difference make for a lot of cost difference between countries. Not only in bandwidth costs, but CPE and core infrastructure.
So if it is possible in Sweeden it is possible in Los Angles. Never said it wasn't, but don't expect to get a 100Gbps fiber drop in Bumblefuck, VA. There is no way that it's cost effective. |
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It's mostly a my d**k is bigger than yours. Nothing more. |
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 GbcueP.E.Premium
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said by tschmidt:said by Luminaris:So what's the point of other countries having 2-3X the speed we have then? Is it a need? That's what I wonder. Residential speed is a chicken N egg problem. Application and service providers are not going to develop applications that need very high speed until there is a large enough population of users to justify it. If we were all still constrained to dialup most of the applications and services we take for granted today would not be practical. Video libraries and video on demand is very demanding. HD feed requires about 15 Mbps. For a family of four the sweet spot is 100 Mbps. 3-D when it happens will need even more bandwidth. Telecommuting is popular but often limited by how quickly data flows between employee and office. New immersive games and virtual reality all require high capacity fast connections. Ultimately the upper bound is driven by human physiology and compression algorithms. /tom Is it really a Chicken/Egg problem?
Remember when everybody was going from dial-up to broadband? Was it done for fun? No, it was done because application providers were already thinking of the future.
The same needs to be done for broadband speed. When people get fed up of waiting for an HD stream to load over their 10Mbit connection, they'll soon jump, like how we all did to broadband.
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said by psx_defector:Do we hear: "People in Amsterdam get to smoke pot and screw hookers all day. Why doesn't America allow that? They ain't being competitive!!!!" Well it would solve a lot of money issues with our gov. and would have a lot less people in our crowded prisons. Which the people are starting to realize and why there is such a push for re-legalizing pot and don't get me started on hookers. There's a profession that has been there since the dawn of time for men. |
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said by Gbcue:said by tschmidt:said by Luminaris:So what's the point of other countries having 2-3X the speed we have then? Is it a need? That's what I wonder. Residential speed is a chicken N egg problem. Application and service providers are not going to develop applications that need very high speed until there is a large enough population of users to justify it. If we were all still constrained to dialup most of the applications and services we take for granted today would not be practical. Video libraries and video on demand is very demanding. HD feed requires about 15 Mbps. For a family of four the sweet spot is 100 Mbps. 3-D when it happens will need even more bandwidth. Telecommuting is popular but often limited by how quickly data flows between employee and office. New immersive games and virtual reality all require high capacity fast connections. Ultimately the upper bound is driven by human physiology and compression algorithms. /tom Is it really a Chicken/Egg problem? Remember when everybody was going from dial-up to broadband? Was it done for fun? No, it was done because application providers were already thinking of the future. The same needs to be done for broadband speed. When people get fed up of waiting for an HD stream to load over their 10Mbit connection, they'll soon jump, like how we all did to broadband. The first people I knew who got broadband (that neat new service from the phone company called a "digital subscriber line") got it to run FTP sites to trade pirated music files.
I honestly didn't begin to see applications that needed broadband until after 2002 or so. Maybe there were, but I didn't see them.
100Mbps isn't really needed for HD streaming video right now. In fact you can do that on a 10M connection with MPEG4 compression. |
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said by backness:First, who do you think you are that you can tell someone what their reasons for wanting a fast connection are? OK, so you tell us what your need for a fast connection is... |
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Seward, AK | reply to backness
I'm more concerned with his obsession with having glass fibers inserted rectally.
He has a point though. While piracy was a factor in the jump from 56k to broadband, it was a very small one. I remember waiting minutes for pages to load, especially if they had a lot of graphical content. For me, the ability to check the news and my email and all that in less than an hour was the big draw to broadband.
But now? The only time I have to wait, is when I am downloading large files. Streaming video works great, even on multiple pc's on the same connection. With even a 30mbps you can stream mutiple HD streams. Sure they are crap quality, but until more than just 20% (number was pulled from the same location where Korean WoW gold farmers put there fiber connections) of internet users can even get a connection greater than 10mbps, the content providers really have no incentive to offer it any faster or at a better quality.
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Seward, AK | reply to ArrayList
You must not get out, answer the phone, or especially, read the net, much. 
Remember, ignorance is everywhere. And someone, somewhere, thinks you are ignorant..
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| said by Boogeyman:You must not get out, answer the phone, or especially, read the net, much. Remember, ignorance is everywhere. And someone, somewhere, thinks you are ignorant.. i concede that I am ignorant. there is a difference. |
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said by Boogeyman:I'm more concerned with his obsession with having glass fibers inserted rectally. Well, you know those Asians and their freaky ways.
I guess the metaphor was lost on people.
While piracy was a factor in the jump from 56k to broadband, it was a very small one. One word for you, Napster.
The only reason why I went to high speed back in '98 was for warez. That 256/64 pipe kicked ass.
Right now, BitTorrent and it's derivative uses is the killer app driving bigger and bigger pipes. The ease of use drives more and more idiots to sucking down bandwidth. Back in the day, warez was more of an art and required a bit of knowledge, like knowing how to combine news group parts, compression schemes, and multipart archives. Now, you go to Mininova, download a file, and everything comes in.
As more and more pirates get online, they start saturating the pipe. They leave it on while they are away, running full boar all the time. Video, even in it's most crazy uncompressed size, doesn't compare. At least video stops sometimes. |
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