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Re: I think we need a new forum. said by Selenia:LOL this post got me going too. Anyways, maybe these fools next time will buy a phone that has the functionality they want, instead of making all our already high wireless bills even higher with this nonsense. Probably not. They all deserve a smack in the head and the lawyers need to be disbarred. I will say it again: Buy a phone that already has the functionality you want, instead of thinking you're entitled to a welfare check from the phone company at other consumers expense suing over features it never had to begin with. Seriously, would you rather crash the network with your iphones than have a late feature? btw, Google Voice mobile service is super easy to use on any phone simply using bookmarks. Even my Pantech at over $150 less-and it had MMS out of the box. I guess I am ignorant to the total number of iPhone users on AT&T's network BUT
I am not understanding how iPhone users can bring down the network as everyone seems to claim. Don't give them unlimited text messaging, limit them and gradually ease the use onto the network so you can identify trouble spots and handle them accordingly. Or is that too simple for AT&T to understand?
And I agree with Selenia - but to add to it...Apple always has this mindset that everything is supposed to work "out of the box". Well, guess what people? It doesn't work fully out of the box, otherwise why would people be jailbreaking their iPhones? | |
fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | Now why in the world should my iPhone not have unlimited texting or picture mail while a black berry can have it? or a razer, or any other cell phone? Where in the world do you come up with that crazy idea?
The REASON that they are FEARED that the iPhone could cause service problems is becuase the iPhone USER BASE is MORE likely to utilize the phone's capabilities over other phone users. People seek out the iPhone becuase of what it can do.. people don't rush to the Razer or a Motorola phone simply becuase of the features they advertise.
iPhone users tend to be more geeks and want all the apps and to use the phone for all it's worth. If all people wanted was a phone that could make calls, text, and send a picture, they can get that in just about any phone. You take the millions of iPhone users who WILL use the phone for what it's worth and flip the switch at the same time, you're dang right you're likely to see bottlenecks.. we had problems on launch day here in MN.. messages wouldn't send...
You are right they should have phased phones in over time, not all at one time. They could have turned on phones in groups over a few weeks which would have been a smarter idea.
As for your comment about the iPhone working out of the box.. ummmmmmm, it does work out of the box. "Out of the box" it did not support MMS functionality, did it not? You can't slam the phone for not being able to do something it was never marketed on.. it wasn't able to do picture mail until the 25th.. prior to that, you could do everything they said you could.. you could make calls, text, use apps, play music, surf the internet.. what else? What you are trying to do is twist things up here to support an anti-apple rant and it's not going to work. Now, if they said "you can text" and you get the phone and it couldn't text, well, then you'd have a leg to stand on.
So guess what.. it works out of the box... Jail-breaking is borderline hacking.. nice try. | |
1 edit | said by fiberguy:Now why in the world should my iPhone not have unlimited texting or picture mail while a black berry can have it? or a razer, or any other cell phone? Where in the world do you come up with that crazy idea? I didn't say that. I said that at first iPhone users should be limited so to ease the strain onto the network so AT&T can identify trouble spots and upgrade the towers as needed. Then after the trial then they can have unlimited.
said by fiberguy:The REASON that they are FEARED that the iPhone could cause service problems is becuase the iPhone USER BASE is MORE likely to utilize the phone's capabilities over other phone users. People seek out the iPhone becuase of what it can do.. people don't rush to the Razer or a Motorola phone simply becuase of the features they advertise. No disagreement there, but then again the only other "smartphone" platform (note not a "featurephone") before iPhone was WM and blackberry. Blackberry was targeted towards businesses, and WM wasn't marketed AT ALL. I can tell you the last time I saw a Blackberry commercial, can you tell me the last time you say an ad for WM?
One of the main reasons people rushed to the iPhone was the publicity surrounding it. Apple advertised it as a phone for the average person.
said by fiberguy:iPhone users tend to be more geeks and want all the apps and to use the phone for all it's worth. If all people wanted was a phone that could make calls, text, and send a picture, they can get that in just about any phone. You take the millions of iPhone users who WILL use the phone for what it's worth and flip the switch at the same time, you're dang right you're likely to see bottlenecks.. we had problems on launch day here in MN.. messages wouldn't send... Exactly my point, they should have gradually turned on the feature for random customers not just flipped the switch and huddled in a corner and prayed.
said by fiberguy:You are right they should have phased phones in over time, not all at one time. They could have turned on phones in groups over a few weeks which would have been a smarter idea. Agreed.
said by fiberguy:As for your comment about the iPhone working out of the box.. ummmmmmm, it does work out of the box. "Out of the box" it did not support MMS functionality, did it not? You can't slam the phone for not being able to do something it was never marketed on.. it wasn't able to do picture mail until the 25th.. prior to that, you could do everything they said you could.. you could make calls, text, use apps, play music, surf the internet.. what else? What you are trying to do is twist things up here to support an anti-apple rant and it's not going to work. Now, if they said "you can text" and you get the phone and it couldn't text, well, then you'd have a leg to stand on. So guess what.. it works out of the box... Jail-breaking is borderline hacking.. nice try. Where was copy and paste?
Multi-tasking?
I do not consider a modern OS to even be qualified as an OS without a user ability to multi-task. DOS was the last OS that I know of that couldn't multi-task. To add insult to injury, even webOSes are multi-tasking.
Please do explain how jail-breaking is borderline hacking? are you in favor or against Apple labeling all jail-breakers as criminals?
In fact Apple even advertised the iPhone as having MMS and there have been lawsuits on it: »news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10321437-37.html
Here is where I bring personal experiences -
My supervisor got an iPhone, it worked for awhile...but then he must have dropped it or sat on it because he had this like black blotch on the screen. Let me tell you, I have dropped my other phones and they are still working fine. Then one day the battery would only last for about an hour.
My co-worker got an iPhone and he had problems launching apps. Everytime they would launch, they would exit. The only way to fix this was to remove the last installed app. Don't know if he ever got it fixed.
My other co-workers iPhone supposedly worked fine for him.
So, 2/3 people who I personally know who have iPhones had problems with them. It could just be my dumb luck, but if you were in my position would you not think that isn't a good ratio?
My personal opinion about the iPhone and Apple. Apple could have wiped the floor with the iPhone, easily. All they had to do is have all the features they have now and allowed third party programs to be installed and you wanna see the iPhone outpass any abilities that any other mobile device has? As long as Apple has a death grip on what applications you can install on YOUR OWN DEVICE that you paid for, then I don't see it as a competitor to any other smartphone on the market. And you can't use the "well Apple is trying to protect the consumers from viruses and malware". That is BS and we both know it. Here are some stats for WM and Symbian viruses: »www.viruslist.com/en/analysis?pu···04791922
22 viruses and 186 variants. WM has been out for how long and doesn't seem to be that much of a target? Especially since you can install and run all sorts of third party programs. My point is Apple basically brands it's users as "simple" and incapable of using a simple mobile device without screwing it up to the point where they don't have full access to the file system, settings, and able to install third party programs. They even claim they haven't "rejected" Google voice because it duplicates functionality. Are their users THAT STUPID that they can't figure out the difference between using the built in calling functions and Google voice? That is the message I am getting. This is why I give anti-Apple rhetoric. To me the iPhone is not a phone, it's just a toy - at least that is again what it appears to me because Apple seems to be going on a lot of how you can play games on it.... | |
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Well mms has been working on iPhones for awhile, yes they had to be jailbroke. For us on AT&T network. However MMS has been availble to iPhone users since the late 2.XXXX firmwares in other countries. People like myself didn't jailbreak my iPhone so I could send mms messages I jailbroke my phone to use custom backgrounds, install useful apps that apple has nice blocked and use apps that if I was on AT&T I would violate there tos by using them over 3G however instead I use my iPhone on t-mo via a sidekick prepaid plan with a jailbreak patch that let's me use apps like skype over 3G So there are many reasons to jailbreak a phone, and if I ever decide to use my iPhone on AT&T i'd remove the jailbreak to make them happy if need be, but I dot need a jailbroken iPhone to use it on t-mobile I could go to the apple store and but a factory unlocked iPhone BTW postedthis from my iPhone | |
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That is debatable. I always thought of the iphone crowd as more Apple fanbois than geeks. I think a geek would hate how much this phone is controlled and crippled by Apple/AT&T. I have even snuck around some of the crippling of one of my cheap J2ME phones(still there, but affects me less due to some external apps), even though it is somewhat expected in that case. Geeks like to be able to customize, optimize, and tinker. Apple fanbois, on the other hand, seem to like a pretty interface and full functioning computer out of the box. This is what the iphone seems marketed as, despite a failure to bring even some basic features. The reason it uses so much network resources are a combo of some "handy apps" and just the fact the iphone has some bad network practices for congested networks. The use is thought to be 4x a regular smartphone user. Not saying Apple fanbois are necessarily bad. I am just saying that the iphone is obviously marketed to their philosophy, not that of a true geek. I like my blackberry. I am thinking of something Android-based next. I do consider myself a true geek =) | |
 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | said by Selenia:That is debatable. I always thought of the iphone crowd as more Apple fanbois than geeks. I think a geek would hate how much this phone is controlled and crippled by Apple/AT&T. I have even snuck around some of the crippling of one of my cheap J2ME phones(still there, but affects me less due to some external apps), even though it is somewhat expected in that case. Geeks like to be able to customize, optimize, and tinker. Apple fanbois, on the other hand, seem to like a pretty interface and full functioning computer out of the box. This is what the iphone seems marketed as, despite a failure to bring even some basic features. The reason it uses so much network resources are a combo of some "handy apps" and just the fact the iphone has some bad network practices for congested networks. The use is thought to be 4x a regular smartphone user. Not saying Apple fanbois are necessarily bad. I am just saying that the iphone is obviously marketed to their philosophy, not that of a true geek. I like my blackberry. I am thinking of something Android-based next. I do consider myself a true geek =) All this for naught. You should see what Jailbreaking your iPhone can do. You can SSH into your iPhone and have a full shell if you want.
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