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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/247350" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=247350');">TA63</a>:</small><br><br>Brake fluid open to the atmosphere for a few minutes is not a problem.<br><br>A few days might be an issue, but not a few minutes. <br> </div>That was one reason for not leaving the cap off of any reservoir while pumping the pedal, that and the possibility the brake fluid will spray out onto paint and other areas that you don't want brake fluid to get on while pumping the pedal.  The cap / lid / top should be on tight before any pumping of the pedal begins (especially if vigorous or rapid in nature).<br><br>I still say the less time brake fluid is exposed to air the better all around, after all it does come in sealed bottles.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_brakefluid_1a.shtml" >www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_br&middot;&middot;&middot;1a.shtml</A><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Why the heck do we use brake fluids that absorb water in the first place?<br><br>Believe it or not, one of a brake fluid&#146;s most vital characteristics is its ability to absorb water. Yes, you read that correctly &#150; brake fluids absorb water by design and that is really a good thing.<br><br>What?<br><br>Whether we like it or not, water is everywhere and finds its way into everything. That&#146;s just the nature of the beast. Even our brand-new sealed brake system will eventually absorb water given enough time.<br><br>The magic of diffusion allows moisture in the air to permeate microscopic pores in the rubber brake hoses, the nylon master cylinder reservoir, and the various rubber seals in the hydraulic system. Sadly, there is nothing we can do about it and if left unchecked the water would sit in our brake system and rot it away from the inside out.<br><br>Hence the need for brake fluid to absorb this unwanted house guest. Because brake fluid absorbs water into solution, the local concentration levels are typically low enough that corrosion is slowed dramatically. As an added benefit, when exposed to low temperatures, the solution state prevents the water from pooling and freezing on its own. While water in brake fluid will certainly increase the solution viscosity at low temperatures, this is much more desirable than having little chunks of ice plugging up the system!<br><br>So, the next time you are bleeding your brakes to remove the water-contaminated fluid, don&#146;t curse at the automotive gods too loudly. After all, the fluid was only doing its job.<hr></blockquote><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-gt/">What&#146;s the point of owning a supercar if you can&#146;t scare yourself stupid from time to time?</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[swintec posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/247350" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=247350');">TA63</a>:</small><br><br>A few days might be an issue, but not a few minutes. <br> </div>I am sure that could be debatable....I really do not know one way or the other, but if it does absorb moisture I would think that during the summer months when we are at unbelievable humidity levels here it wouldnt be good even for a few minutes..but now where the air is getting to be so dry, one may be safer for that few minutes.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://blocknews.net">Block Accounts</a> | <A HREF="http://usenetnow.net">UseNet Now</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[TA63 posted : Brake fluid open to the atmosphere for a few minutes is not a problem.<br><br>A few days might be an issue, but not a few minutes. <br><small>--<br>Striving for Parfection.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/809009" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=809009');">tcope</a>:</small><br><br>I understand... but the general notice of leaving the cap on does not consider that there could be air in the lines. I understand that the air if further down the lines but as you mentioned, it needs to be worked up into the cylinder. If there is no less pressure near the opening then it would be more difficult to move the air in that direction. The cap is still only removed from a short amount of time, just several minutes, which the clutch is pumped.<br> </div>A few minutes open to the atmosphere is too long and degrades the life and performance of the fluid and will cause corrosion inside the cylinders. The system is designed to be sealed by the cap and allow bubbles/trapped air go to the top as the total volume is unchanged under the cap and the total amount of air/fluid is the same inside and only the location/distribution changes as the air rises to the very top of the reservoir and the fluid goes down where the air was trapped previously. It takes vigorous pumping as posted by  THUD300 <A HREF="/useremail/u/641708"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> to dislodge the smaller bubbles as they try to stick where they are and need to be dislodged by the rapid movement which cannot be done with the cap off. <br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-gt/">What&#146;s the point of owning a supercar if you can&#146;t scare yourself stupid from time to time?</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[tcope posted : I understand... but the general notice of leaving the cap on does not consider that there could be air in the lines. I understand that the air if further down the lines but as you mentioned, it needs to be worked up into the cylinder. If there is no less pressure near the opening then it would be more difficult to move the air in that direction. The cap is still only removed from a short amount of time, just several minutes, which the clutch is pumped.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/809009" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=809009');">tcope</a>:</small><br><br>If the cap is on, it's going to be more difficult to force the air out.<br> </div>The air isn't trapped in reservoir or under the cap. The air (in the form of multiple small bubbles which is why they are hard/harder to get out) is much further down past the seals of the Clutch Master Cylinder piston and as far down as the Clutch Slave Cylinder and needs to get up to the cap area so the cap should remain on. <i>Especially since <A HREF="http://autorepair.about.com/cs/generalinfo/l/bldef_058.htm">Brake Fluid is hygroscopic</a> and readily absorbs moisture from the air when exposed.</i>  The cap on any reservoir that holds Brake Fluid needs to remain on and sealed (it may even be stamped with "Keep Tightly Sealed" right on the cap). It should only be removed to check the level and top off the fluid as needed.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-gt/">What&#146;s the point of owning a supercar if you can&#146;t scare yourself stupid from time to time?</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[swintec posted : I pumped it really fast earlier today and again this afternoon when I had a chance, with the engine off.  There is now about 3/4" of an inch of play in the pedal..much better than it was.So it looks like there was quite a bit of air still int he system and it is coming out of it on its own.  (The three hours of driving I did yesterday most likely helped to)....Will see what happens.  Thanks for all the tips!<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://blocknews.net">Block Accounts</a> | <A HREF="http://usenetnow.net">UseNet Now</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[tcope posted : Which I would have looked at this sooner. Had an S10 with the same problem.<br><br>I could find nothing leaking but I had to pump the clutch to built up pressure. I replaced the master and all was good.<br><br>OP, there should only be about an inch play in the clutch. I'm guessing something was not done correctly when they installed the pasts and now they just don't want to loose money by going back and correcting it... since it still works.<br><br>I also removed the master cyl cap and pumped the clutch (slowly as not to cause the fluid to spill out). I think I recall that reading that this can work out air in lines. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[THUD300 posted : I know, it doesn't make sense, but it has worked for me on several occasions as a dealer tech.  The air rises out of the system into the reservoir.<br><br>The last one I did, my brother's 95 S-10, same thing... new cylinders, bleed and bleed and bleed and pedal not worth a crap until I just pumped it to death, and it's been good ever since. <br><br>Think about how the cylinders that were replaced would 'pump up', it's kind of the same thing....nothing to lose by trying it.<br><small>--<br>Illinois: where the governors make the license plates!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[swintec posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/641708" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=641708');">THUD300</a>:</small><br><br>Try this: engine off, pump the daylights out of the clutch pedal. I mean full stroke, about 2 per second, at least a couple of hundred times. (you read that right.) The pedal feel and release height should gradually improve. You may end up doing this for ten or more minutes, but I have found it to be the only way to get all the air massaged out of these.<br> </div>If the cap is on the master cylinder and the cap is on the bleeder valve, where will the air go?  Everything I have read, a clutch system (like a brake system) is more or less a "closed system".<br><br>Alos, i didnt stop by to update the thread, but I talked to the mechanic again the other day, asking why he didnt change the clutch parts when in there and he again stated that they were all perfect.  he also said that it appears someone had been in there before since there was some new parts in there (bolts that were used and stuff).<br><br>Now, in the 7-8 years I have had it, I have never had any clutch work done, let alone had the transmission off.<br><br>The only thing i can think of is, is that the truck was POSSIBLY a repo or something.  The dealer I bought it from may have gotten it from an auction and replaced the clutch (probably had to, repos are usually beat to hell)...If that is the case, that would mean the clutch was redone around 33,000 miles which would mean there is only about 67,000 on this clutch.  That is the only reason I can come up with for why the clutch parts would be in such good shape and also have after market pieces in there.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://blocknews.net">Block Accounts</a> | <A HREF="http://usenetnow.net">UseNet Now</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[THUD300 posted : Not for 3SGTE, I hit the wrong reply button... :D<br><br>To the OP: It should feel the way it felt before, with the release point in the first couple inches of pedal travel.<br><br>Try this: engine off, pump the daylights out of the clutch pedal. I mean full stroke, about 2 per second, at least a couple of hundred times. (you read that right.) The pedal feel and release height should gradually improve. You may end up doing this for ten or more minutes, but I have found it to be the only way to get all the air massaged out of these.<br><br>Be sure to check the level in the reservoir and top off with DOT 3 brake fluid if needed.<br><small>--<br>Illinois: where the governors make the license plates!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/917132" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=917132');">swintec</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/372021" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=372021');">Doctor Olds</a>:</small><br><br>New or rebuilt parts for the clutch?  If it is a rebuilt, the springs may have not been replaced in the pressure plate...<br> </div>Well, he replaced only the master cylinder and the slave cylinder...master cylinder was new as I purchased that personally....Slave cylinder was undoubtedly new as he never uses rebuilt parts unless he has to.  Any other clutch component was left alone as he said they were in perfect shape and I would not have gained anything by having them replaced.<br><br>I guess I need to find a frame of reference to compare the clutch to, and also stop into a different garage to see what they think.  Will anything negative happen driving it the way it is?  To be honest, it drives great now as far as clutch engaging/disengaging.<br> </div>In my opinion, it was not a good decision at all to not replace the clutch while the transmission was out when it has a 100K on it. The pressure plate has only so many releases in it (the spring steel diaphragm does wear out from heat, use and age) and the disc has a row of lateral springs that also are affected the same way over time that originally allow smooth operation instead of plate chatter.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-gt/">What&#146;s the point of owning a supercar if you can&#146;t scare yourself stupid from time to time?</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[swintec posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/372021" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=372021');">Doctor Olds</a>:</small><br><br>New or rebuilt parts for the clutch?  If it is a rebuilt, the springs may have not been replaced in the pressure plate...<br> </div>Well, he replaced only the master cylinder and the slave cylinder...master cylinder was new as I purchased that personally....Slave cylinder was undoubtedly new as he never uses rebuilt parts unless he has to.  Any other clutch component was left alone as he said they were in perfect shape and I would not have gained anything by having them replaced.<br><br>I guess I need to find a frame of reference to compare the clutch to, and also stop into a different garage to see what they think.  Will anything negative happen driving it the way it is?  To be honest, it drives great now as far as clutch engaging/disengaging.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://blocknews.net">Block Accounts</a> | <A HREF="http://usenetnow.net">UseNet Now</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[TA63 posted : The clutch was not replaced.<br><small>--<br>Striving for Parfection.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : New or rebuilt parts for the clutch?  If it is a rebuilt, the springs may have not been replaced in the pressure plate or were replaced with weaker springs or a weaker pressure plate instead of a heavy duty pressure plate.  I like a firm clutch so I tend to use new OEM clutch parts or Heavy Duty aftermarket clutch parts.<br><br>Since the pressure to bleed the clutch system comes from the Clutch Master Cylinder, if anyone has trouble bleeding the system, it is either the CMC causing it (aka defective) or it is not full of fluid or it is pumping air with fluid from not being bled first. It is the same as bleeding the brakes. The Master (brake or clutch) has to produce pressure to bleed the rest of the system and the fluid flow under pressure has to be free of air otherwise they are pumping air into the other parts of the system, not fluid.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-gt/">What&#146;s the point of owning a supercar if you can&#146;t scare yourself stupid from time to time?</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[TA63 posted : Sounds like there is still air in it.<br><small>--<br>Striving for Parfection.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[swintec posted : Just got my truck back today..Yes, after just over a week.<br><br>He installed my master cylinder for me that i was trying to do.<br><br>He also had to replace the clutch slave cylinder as he believed this to be gone as well cause he was unable to bleed the clutch system at all.<br><br>He also replaced the rear main seal for good measure since he was around that area anyways.<br><br>Remember the oil coating the underside that I thought was the rear main seal?  That was not the case, it was actually a "cam cover seal" that was gone and allowing oil to pour through and leak out, and end up on the underside of the transmission/vehicle.  The huge problem with this was, NO ONE around here carried this $10 gasket so it took 4 days to get it from somewhere else.  He didnt seem entirely familiar with this part when I talked with him.....stated something along the lines of "you deal with this part when you rebuild the engine, etc etc.  This engine isnt set up like most."  Anyone know about these, or dealt with them?<br><br>Total bill came to $666.63, this includes 6.4 hours of labor.  Sound about right?<br><br>He did nto replace clutch, said it was in perfect condition so I would not have gained anything.<br><br>Problem is, the clutch pedal feels completely different to me now...It used to be nice and stiff, which I have gotten used to all these years (7 years)....Now, it is very easy to press, in fact, if I rest my foot on it, it will push it down most of the way.  The clutch now grabs roughly 3/4 of an inch from the floor as I am letting up.. (actually stalled when I first went to take off because of how different it feels and grabs).  <b>So I guess my question is, how exactly IS a clutch pedal suppose to feel in an S10 hydraulic clutch?</b>  Solid, firm and no play in the pedal, or "spongey" so to speak?...he says the way i am feeling it now is the way it should be.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://blocknews.net">Block Accounts</a> | <A HREF="http://usenetnow.net">UseNet Now</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[swintec posted : Just wanted to give an update.  I finally got around to messing with the master cylinder today, fairly warm outside which is what  I have been waiting for.<br><br>Anyways, I had everything in place and just to make sure I could do the job, I got under the truck to find the bleeder valve.  Let alone the fact there is no room to work under there, I believe I found it, directly above where the line from the master cylinder goes into the clutch housing.<br><br>I used a socket to get what i thought was the dust cap off but the whole piece came off, including the other end which clearly should have stayed in the clutch housing.  :huh:  It *looks* like the dust cap and the valve have become fused together, but it is entirely possible there was no dust cap and i took the whole valve off my mistake.<br><br>naturally, the master cylinder drained cause I took the valve off, but I have no idea where the fluid drained to, Not ont he floor at least.  :huh:<br><br>I cant get any pressure back.  It also appears as though my rear main seal is gone due to a fair bit of oil coating the underside of the transmission and rear of the engine....So it appears it is going to the shop to undue my poor "newbie" mistakes and to also replace that seal since they will most likely have all of that stuff off anyways. $$$$!<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://blocknews.net">Block Accounts</a> | <A HREF="http://usenetnow.net">UseNet Now</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/742623" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=742623');">RonnieB223</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/372021" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=372021');">Doctor Olds</a>:</small><br><br>Possibly true, but the OP so far has not stated his slave cylinder is leaking or that the Clutch Master Cylinder is empty (a sign of a leak).<br> </div>Mine wasn't leaking at first either, which made a diagnosis more difficult. Once my clutch pedal had no pressure I was able to find a leak, it was leaking from an inspection slot on the bottom of the transmission. <br> </div>Pumping up the pedal to regain function which is the symptom the OP is having isn't the same as what you had.  I have seen dozens of the Clutch Master Cylinders fail/leak internally and the Clutch Slave is still good.  Plus it is the cheapest and easiest part to change and even if the Clutch Slave were to leak a month later or never at all, the Clutch Master Cylinder would still need replacing based on the symptoms alone as there has been no fluid loss reported by the OP.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-gt/">What&#146;s the point of owning a supercar if you can&#146;t scare yourself stupid from time to time?</a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:19:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[RonnieB223 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/372021" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=372021');">Doctor Olds</a>:</small><br><br>Possibly true, but the OP so far has not stated his slave cylinder is leaking or that the Clutch Master Cylinder is empty (a sign of a leak).<br> </div>Mine wasn't leaking at first either, which made a diagnosis more difficult. Once my clutch pedal had no pressure I was able to find a leak, it was leaking from an inspection slot on the bottom of the transmission. <br><br>I posted my total cost just get a general idea, obviously specific vehicles will require different R&I's even though they use similar parts. $1600 was actually a lot cheaper than I was originally quoted which was about $2000 total. <br><br>In hindsight the $1600 was totally worth it, though it did hurt, I love the way the car drives now.<br><br>As stated before my car is front wheel drive, this is the only reason I did not repair it myself, I didn't have the correct tools. Rear wheel drive will be slightly easier if you are mechanically inclined, but will still probably require a good deal of time and a bit of money.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : You may need this tool:<br><br>KD Tools GM Hydraulic Clutch Line Disconnect Tool - KDS3892<br>$8.99 new - Sears<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00996379000P?vName=Tools&cName=Auto&MechanicsTools&sName=Auto%20Specialty%20Tools&psid=FROOGLE01&sid=IDx20070921x00003a" >www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1260&middot;&middot;&middot;1x00003a</A><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-gt/">What&#146;s the point of owning a supercar if you can&#146;t scare yourself stupid from time to time?</a></small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=66%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23114424?c=1474595&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMzA5NzA4Mi54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="14303 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=250 HEIGHT=209 SRC="/r0/download/1474595~414128cc89dca096b39b39ee0686c726/KD3892.jpg"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[swintec posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/372021" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=372021');">Doctor Olds</a>:</small><br><br>I'd only put a CMC on the vehicle based on the symptoms...<br> </div>Looking at the prices (about 40 bucks or so) for the master cylinder, it would seem to be a fairly cheap thing to install to see if it works, before having a mechanic tear things apart.  I will read up on it in my repair manual to see if it is something I feel comfortable doing myself / with someone else.  If so, I will probably do that.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://blocknews.net">Block Accounts</a> | <A HREF="http://usenetnow.net">UseNet Now</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : I'd only put a CMC on the vehicle based on the symptoms (especially if the system shows no leaks from the CSC or line) and simply drive it until either the clutch is finally worn out/starting to slip under load or until the CSC or line fails to hold pressure internally or starts to leak. Then I'd pull the trans and replace the whole clutch kit, resurface the flywheel and replace the CSC or line plus the line if needed going inside the bell housing.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-gt/">What&#146;s the point of owning a supercar if you can&#146;t scare yourself stupid from time to time?</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[THUD300 posted : What the OP describes is a hydraulic issue; the system is "pumping up" with use and returning the feel to normal.<br><br>Trouble here is, is it the chicken or the egg... probably best to replace both the master and slave cylinders and be done with it. While the trans is out, have the clutch disc inspected and you may find that the clutch components are okay and have plenty of material left... but almost any shop will try to steer you into replacing the disc and plate and surfacing the flywheel while it is apart.<br> <br><br><small>--<br>Illinois: where the governors make the license plates!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/742623" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=742623');">RonnieB223</a>:</small><br><br>It's probably only a matter of time before you have no clutch pressure and can't get into a gear without syncing or pop starting it in gear(not fun).  </div>Possibly true, but the OP so far has not stated his slave cylinder is leaking or that the Clutch Master Cylinder is empty (a sign of a leak).<br><br>If it is only the CMC bypassing/leaking internally due to bad seals on the piston then he can simply replace it, bleed the system and be good to go as there is no set interval for a clutch to last. I had 134,000 Miles on my last clutch (had some towing with that one) and 150,000 Miles on the previous one.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-gt/">What&#146;s the point of owning a supercar if you can&#146;t scare yourself stupid from time to time?</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/917132" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=917132');">swintec</a>:</small><br><br>You are not making me feel to great when you say $1600!  :huh:<br><br>EDIT- I googled and googled som emore, this looks to be the going rate for this type of clutch?  NAPA has the clutch set for my truck for $260....Is the labor really that much?<br> </div> RonnieB223 <A HREF="/useremail/u/742623"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> has a FWD vehicle [Grand Am] which is most always more Labor to replace the Clutch than a RWD vehicle. Sometimes even Double the Labor Time.<br><br>As to parts price, this is Rock Auto showing $125, $175, $180 and up for the clutch kit.  Plus you get 5% off for knowing the code:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r21778014-5-Discount-Code-for-RockAuto">5% Discount Code for RockAuto</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1303849,parttype,1993" >www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carco&middot;&middot;&middot;ype,1993</A><br><br>SACHS Part # K190409 <br>Slave Cylinder w/o Bearing; OD: 9 1/8; Size ID: 1 1/8; TEETH: 26T<br>$124.79<br><br>[att=1]<br><br>BRUTE POWER Part # 90198 <br>Diaphragm; 9 1/8x26Tx1 1/8 <br>$175.79<br><br>[att=2]<br><br>ACDELCO Part # 381210   {replaces 88989242 #19182441, 88989242}<br>$180.79<br><br>[att=3]<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-gt/">What&#146;s the point of owning a supercar if you can&#146;t scare yourself stupid from time to time?</a></small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23109001?c=1474319&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMzA5NzA4Mi54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="35575 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=450 HEIGHT=346 SRC="/r0/download/1474319~b5da94fb5c48897d81015987489526da/K1904-09.jpg"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23109001?c=1474320&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMzA5NzA4Mi54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="60636 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=548 HEIGHT=400 SRC="/r0/download/1474320~db9d310ebfd758b29c866faf8a585285/MU70148-1-1.jpg"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23109001?c=1474321&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMzA5NzA4Mi54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="164477 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=504 HEIGHT=360 SRC="/r0/download/1474321~87771621fd4a407a347672f790e3ae3e/381210.jpg"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[swintec posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/742623" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=742623');">RonnieB223</a>:</small><br><br>$1600 ($650 of which was for labor)later it drives like it's brand new because of the new master cylinder, slave cylinder, throw out bearing, clutch pack, and flywheel resurface. <br> </div>You are not making me feel to great when you say $1600!  :huh:<br><br>EDIT- I googled and googled som emore, this looks to be the going rate for this type of clutch?  NAPA has the clutch set for my truck for $260....Is the labor really that much?<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://blocknews.net">Block Accounts</a> | <A HREF="http://usenetnow.net">UseNet Now</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[RonnieB223 posted : I just had my Clutch slave cylinder fail on my 02 Pontiac Grand Am. It has the I4 2.2 Ecotec (70,000 miles) also. I had a similar issue then one day the slave just died and blew out all over. <br><br>$1600 ($650 of which was for labor)later it drives like it's brand new because of the new master cylinder, slave cylinder, throw out bearing, clutch pack, and flywheel resurface. <br><br>I am not very happy that GM designed certain transmissions with the slave located on the inside of the transmission bell housing otherwise I would have fixed it myself and bought some more time out of my clutch(which had about a year or so left on it anyways).<br><br>It's probably only a matter of time before you have no clutch pressure and can't get into a gear without syncing or pop starting it in gear(not fun). ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : Yes, the gear oil in the manual transmission and the gear oil in the rear differential (and if a 4X4 the transfer case and front differential too)  should be changed at the interval seen in your Owners Manual or Service Maintenance Guide.<br><br>It is usually something you request during an oil change when the vehicle is up in the air.  Shops have a barrel with a pump to refill the lube so they don't have to bother with individual quart bottles like someone doing it at home. They just drain the fluid, then pump in fresh fluid with their hand cranked or air powered pump.<br><br>[att=1]<br><br>There is a little pump kit for quart bottles that makes the job much easier/cleaner for doing it yourself.<br><br>[att=2]<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-gt/">What&#146;s the point of owning a supercar if you can&#146;t scare yourself stupid from time to time?</a></small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=66%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23103717?c=1474090&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMzA5NzA4Mi54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="41665 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=374 HEIGHT=212 SRC="/r0/download/1474090~747e10d5de2b2c25691b97c89d3e56df/gearoilpumps.jpg"></A></TD><TD ALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nowrap width="1%">&nbsp;</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=66%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23103717?c=1474091&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMzA5NzA4Mi54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="12291 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=294 HEIGHT=212 SRC="/r0/download/1474091~be72a4150e7e283dd814b6a54d6880b4/18-9781.jpg"></A></TD><TD ALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nowrap width="1%">&nbsp;</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[swintec posted : Oh yes, before I forget...The Haynes repair manual says as regular maintenance, it is good to change the transmission fluid...every so many miles (I forget how much they say)...Being that it is a manual transmission, it isnt very easy to drain the fluid...you have to unscrew some little side mounted plug and use one of those cheap little hand pumps to pump the fluid out.  The new fluid comes in a squirt bottles.<br><br>Anyways, people always look at me funny when I mention it, because it is a manual transmission...is changing this fluid a good idea?  If the mechanic is under there and has that area apart, should I have him do this?<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://blocknews.net">Block Accounts</a> | <A HREF="http://usenetnow.net">UseNet Now</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : The clutch itself has no set change or wear out interval.  I have seen a clutch worn to the rivets in 7 days and I have seen clutches still going strong at 200K Miles.  It depends on the driver's habits. If it is not slipping under load at highway speeds, then I personally would just repair or replace the Clutch Master if that is the problem and drive it. ;)  Now if the slave has to be replaced, then of course I would have a new clutch put in (all parts) and have the flywheel ground flat again on a flywheel grinding table. That is because replacing the slave cylinder requires pulling the transmission out anyway, so while you are right at the clutch it would be the time to replace it.<br><br>HTH<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-gt/">What&#146;s the point of owning a supercar if you can&#146;t scare yourself stupid from time to time?</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[swintec posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/372021" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=372021');">Doctor Olds</a>:</small><br><br>Don't confuse the CMC with the Brake Master Cylinder as the Clutch Master is separate and to the left of the BMC.<br><br>If the system is low, there may be a leak, but if the system is full there is very little chance that it has air in the system unless it was repaired without you knowing about it and they didn't properly bleed the system.<br> </div>Roger that.  I have had the truck for the past 8 years or so so there was nothing done to the clutch system since I have had it.  I also have one of those haynes repair manuals that I have used over the years and it showed me where the clutch master cylinder was years ago, so I am reasonably sure I am not mixing it up.<br><br>I guess at least now I have something to tell my mechanic.<br><br>On a side note, being that it is an original clutch, with coming up to 100,000 miles....can I expect a clutch replacement soon?  What is the typical life like on these?<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://blocknews.net">Block Accounts</a> | <A HREF="http://usenetnow.net">UseNet Now</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : Don't confuse the CMC with the Brake Master Cylinder as the Clutch Master is separate and to the left of the BMC.<br><br>If the system is low, there may be a leak, but if the system is full there is very little chance that it has air in the system unless it was repaired without you knowing about it and they didn't properly bleed the system.<br><br>If the system is full the CMC could have an internal leak (internal leaks let fluid past the seal as the seal is worn out, but no air gets in so that is why an internally leaking system is seen full or nearly full) and it would only be fixed by replacing the Clutch Master Cylinder or rebuilding it if a kit were available.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-gt/">What&#146;s the point of owning a supercar if you can&#146;t scare yourself stupid from time to time?</a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:10:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[swintec posted : I usually check the master cylinder fluid level every other oil change, but I just checked it this morning and it is full (where it has always been at).<br><br>So that leaves me with air in the system?  I would assume that there would have to be a leak somewhere in order to pull air into the system, but apparently, not where any fluid can leak out.<br><br>It wouldnt be the fingers of the pressure plate sticking would it?<br><br>EDIT-- Also read that Yahoo Answers link...So I guess I need to bleed the lines, but if the master or slave cylinder is bad, it may just come back.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://blocknews.net">Block Accounts</a> | <A HREF="http://usenetnow.net">UseNet Now</a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:40:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : Have you checked the fluid level in the Clutch MC?  It normally uses DOT 3 Brake Fluid in the Clutch Master Cylinder, but read the fill cap to be sure and wipe it off before opening.  Do not leave it open long and only use fresh fluid to refill it to full if low.<br><br>Either there is air in the system, or there is a leak and the fluid is low or there is an internal leak in the clutch master cylinder and by using it and/or by the temps rising that allows the seal to get temporarily better at building up pressure.<br><br>More info here:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060922132122AAdWkwK" >answers.yahoo.com/question/index&middot;&middot;&middot;2AAdWkwK</A><br><br>1998 : CHEVROLET : S10 PICKUP : 2.2L 134 cubic inch L4 MFI (4) : Clutch<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1303849,pgname,Clutch" >www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carco&middot;&middot;&middot;e,Clutch</A><br><br>This is the Clutch Master Cylinder<br><br>[att=1]<br><br>This is the Clutch Slave Cylinder w/o bearing:<br><br>[att=2]<br><br>This is the Clutch Slave Cylinder w/ bearing:<br><br>[att=3]<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-gt/">What&#146;s the point of owning a supercar if you can&#146;t scare yourself stupid from time to time?</a></small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23099926?c=1473900&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMzA5NzA4Mi54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="14940 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=450 HEIGHT=298 SRC="/r0/download/1473900~9add4143ab4f70bccb78a2a2d2f29bd2/m0433.jpg"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23099926?c=1473901&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMzA5NzA4Mi54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="22976 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=450 HEIGHT=337 SRC="/r0/download/1473901~0433bfe3845f31d4f4a3e9af1c9f4e02/s0418nb.jpg"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23099926?c=1473902&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMzA5NzA4Mi54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="57717 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=547 HEIGHT=400 SRC="/r0/download/1473902~e1a97c9fc09312f7c0622c96e31369b2/360058-1.jpg"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:54:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[mr_slick posted : just a guess- a hydraulic issue. seals in master or slave cylinder may be failing?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:46:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[swintec posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/630713" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=630713');">Dime</a>:</small><br><br>Year, V6 or I4?<br> </div>1998, 4 cyclinder, 2.2 liter.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://blocknews.net">Block Accounts</a> | <A HREF="http://usenetnow.net">UseNet Now</a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:09:10 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Dime posted : Year, V6 or I4?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:06:43 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[swintec posted : My S-10 truck has close to 100,000 miles on it.  Original clutch.  Been a great truck all of these years.<br><br>Throughout the course of this past spring and summer, I have noticed there has been excessive play in the clutch pedal...in other words, I can freely move it up and down anywhere from 1-4 inches.<br><br>As my drive continues on, the amount I can move it up and down diminishes and it becomes as normal..nice and tight; solid...no play at all.<br><br>A quick Google search says something about a part "sticking".  My mind has a hard time grasping how a simple clutch system works so i am hoping someone could explain what is going on with this excessive play?<br><br>There is no noise to be heard, no gears grinding or anything...but the amount of play that is felt in the pedal is a bit more than it was say, at the start of this summer.<br><br>Do I have reason to be worried?  Is a trip to the mechanic in order for a *gulp* new clutch?  Winter is on our door steps very soon and i would like to get whatever is going on taken care of so I am not stuck in a blizzard.  Thanks for any advice!<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://blocknews.net">Block Accounts</a> | <A HREF="http://usenetnow.net">UseNet Now</a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:26:52 EDT</pubDate>
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