 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | reply to SLD
Re: Too bad said by SLD:Actually, it is centrist. It just seems left-wing to you Fox viewers. LOL.
If you really want to play that angle, you need to consider this.
FOX News routinely clobbers its competition in the news business. Because they get the most viewers, they become the ideological basis by which other news outlets are judged. If they have the majority of viewers, then by definition they are not some radical fringe media outlet.
On the other hand, newspapers, with their shrinking subscriber counts and continued money troubles, are. If you want to consider the Post in particular, even their own ombudsman states right out that they are biased left and they are quick to jump on conservatives, but slow to find any fault with liberals.
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
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Yarmouth Port, MA
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[ot] FOX News said by pnh102:FOX News routinely clobbers its competition in the news business. Maybe True, as long as you don't count those who get their news on the web, from local broadcast outlets, during the network nightly news, or through social media, and etc.
said by pnh102:Because they get the most viewers, they become the ideological basis by which other news outlets are judged. If they have the majority of viewers, then by definition they are not some radical fringe media outlet. That does not follow. They shouldn't be biased toward their audience's politics, they should be biased toward the facts of the story, not trying to make or change the story.
I usually can't stand Fox News because its bias is so severe, it's both offensive and it bends accuracy. But today I read a great Fox News story.
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| said by funchords:I usually can't stand Fox News because its bias is so severe, it's both offensive and it bends accuracy. Oh please, MSNBC needed towels for Keith Olberman and Chris Matthews after Obama was given the Democratic nomination. Even MSNBC pulled them apart after the way they handled the Republican National Convention.
Also, MSNBC ran a story where white racists were at the town hall meetings and showed someone with an AR-15 slung on their back. Too bad it didn't show the whole picture because the guy carrying that weapon was black.
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Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | Re: [ot] FOX News and MSNBC said by moonpuppy:said by funchords:I usually can't stand Fox News because its bias is so severe, it's both offensive and it bends accuracy. Oh please, MSNBC [...] ... has its own problems, but it doesn't change my concerns with Fox News
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Talis
join:2001-06-21
Houston, TX | reply to moonpuppy
Re: [ot] FOX News ... and that somehow shows that Fox News ISN'T biased?
Fox panders to the right, MSNBC panders to the left. But at least MSNBC doesn't call itself 'fair and balanced' or news. That's what I find most disgusting about Fox - it sells itself as a news channel when it most certainly isn't.
If Fox News would simply own up to being the pandering, sensationalist, tabloid entertainment channel that it is, it would at least get more respect for being honest. As it is, its just a horrificly sad joke, stirring up revolution for ratings. |
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Re: Too bad helpful tip: to avoid getting drawn into this game, click on Ignore User for pnh102. |
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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said by pnh102:If you really want to play that angle, you need to consider this. FOX News routinely clobbers its competition in the news business. Fox News clobbers it's competition because they are good at what they do, spin lies as fact to appeal to a conservative base. Add up the viewer on ABC/NBC/CBS and CNN and I doubt Fox News would outnumber them.
I liken it to being the only guy in town who is selling drugs.
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join:2009-08-31
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If you want to play that angle, The Post staunchly supported the Iraq War, CAFTA and privatizing so-so security.
They have taken both sides of the political spectrum from time to time unfortunately these traditional media outlets don't seem to understand that they aren't supposed to take sides, ever. |
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Yarmouth Port, MA
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said by Matt:Add up the viewer on ABC/NBC/CBS and CNN and I doubt Fox News would outnumber them. True, by orders of magnitude.
Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for September 17, 2009
P2+ Total Day
FNC 1,586,000 viewers
CNN 590,000 viewers
MSNBC 454,000 viewers
CNBC 197,000 viewers
HLN 374,000 viewers
P2+ Prime Time
FNC 3,238,000viewers
CNN 1,054,000 viewers
MSNBC 1,123,000 viewers
CNBC 259,000 viewers
HLN 813,000viewers
»tvbythenumbers.com/2009/09/18/ca···09/27686
Total Viewers:
NBC: 7,720,000
ABC: 7,270,000
CBS: 5,540,000
»www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/eve···7114.asp
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join:2002-04-17
San Francisco, CA | reply to morbo
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 nixenRockin' the BoxenPremium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA | reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:If you really want to play that angle, you need to consider this. FOX News routinely clobbers its competition in the news business. Because they get the most viewers, they become the ideological basis by which other news outlets are judged. If they have the majority of viewers, then by definition they are not some radical fringe media outlet. Hmm... Interesting supposition, but, "not quite".
Your supposition presumes that the news watching public is some constant. That's not really a good assumption. When you have a "product" (it is a business, after all, and it's shaped to provide income rather than "truth") that a specific demographic likes, that demographic will flock to it. That, however, does not mean that the particular demographic in question is representative of a population as a whole.
On the whole, the consuming masses are, for lack of a more elegant term, "stupid" (if they weren't "stupid", the borrowing practices that contributed to the current economic downturn would not have been present). Fox is simply the most effective at catering to that stupidity. The overall commercialized nature of (particularly televised) news has turned most of it into worthless drivel. For people that actually care about what it is they watch or read, news as a business is repellent. Those people increasing drop out of consuming that product and seek their news, elsewhere. So, what you have left is the dregs of the news as a business consumers.
Congratulations: Fox appeals greatly to the dregs.
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Re: [ot] FOX News said by Talis:... and that somehow shows that Fox News ISN'T biased? Fox panders to the right, MSNBC panders to the left. But at least MSNBC doesn't call itself 'fair and balanced' or news. That's what I find most disgusting about Fox - it sells itself as a news channel when it most certainly isn't. If Fox News would simply own up to being the pandering, sensationalist, tabloid entertainment channel that it is, it would at least get more respect for being honest. As it is, its just a horrificly sad joke, stirring up revolution for ratings. MSNBC does say "A Fuller Spectrum of News."
The reason people are flocking to Fox News is because they are tired of the BS coming from MSNBC and CNN.
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Re: Too bad said by pnh102:said by SLD:Actually, it is centrist. It just seems left-wing to you Fox viewers. LOL. If you really want to play that angle, you need to consider this. FOX News routinely clobbers its competition in the news business. Because they get the most viewers, Oh, and with Fox having more viewers means the republicans have more credibility? Does this mean the right-wing will win the next presidency?
What does this whole "ohh my network has more viewers than yours" really mean anyway?
They only thing that it shows is that they have more viewers. THAT is all. Nothing more. |
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Talis
join:2001-06-21
Houston, TX | reply to moonpuppy
Re: [ot] FOX News
I don't presume to know why ANYONE would flock to Fox News, other than to rubberneck. |
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Re: Too bad said by pnh102:...LOL. If you really want to play that angle, you need to consider this. FOX News routinely clobbers its competition in the news business. Because they get the most viewers... ...
uh...
Didn't realize sensationalist fear-mongering and actual fact-based news were the same thing. |
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join:2005-03-29
Rialto, CA | reply to credibility
Actually, if a network has more viewers, it means they will make more money. That's what really matters. Long gone are the days when news was independent from entertainment. Everything on the air (including via cable and satellite) must be sensational or it will not attract a mass audience. Tabloids still succeed at the supermarket checkout line because they are sensational. The same rule has long applied to TV. Edward R. Murrow may be rolling in his grave, but no one cares.
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to morbo
said by morbo:helpful tip: to avoid getting drawn into this game, click on Ignore User for pnh102. Yup. Just give up!
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | reply to funchords
Re: [ot] FOX News said by funchords:That does not follow. They shouldn't be biased toward their audience's politics, they should be biased toward the facts of the story, not trying to make or change the story. Then why is it OK for all the other news outlets to be biased left?
Can you also provide proof that FOX News had widespread problems with news accuracy?
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to nixen
Re: Too bad said by nixen:Hmm... Interesting supposition, but, "not quite". Not quite, but still irrefutably true. The fact, as posted by another user, that FOX is an order of magnitude ahead of their nearest competitor shows that it is those competitors who are the "wacky outliers" and that FOX News is, by logical conclusion, mainstream.
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