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Re: Onlive Gaming and streaming said by KrK:And there was .5 to .75 second delay before your instruction occurred. It would be unplayable. Well yes, but with those pings (500-750 ms, if my calculations are correct) most any application would be unusable. Those numbers are also not even close to real world. Many people use VoIP and other latency sensitive apps with no issues at 20-40 ms...Would it be playable then?
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 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | said by swintec:said by KrK:And there was .5 to .75 second delay before your instruction occurred. It would be unplayable. Well yes, but with those pings (500-750 ms, if my calculations are correct) most any application would be unusable. Those numbers are also not even close to real world. Many people use VoIP and other latency sensitive apps with no issues at 20-40 ms...Would it be playable then? Many people today play FPS games with latency in the realm of 100ms and it works fine. 20ms to 40ms is considered very good.
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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said by swintec:Well yes, but with those pings (500-750 ms, if my calculations are correct) most any application would be unusable. Well, but that's the point. I think ping times of 200ms and up would be unplayable because of the fact it has to go back and forth between terminal and server several times.
I think very fast ping times of 20-40 ms etc would be playable, but would feel a lot more sluggish and laggy then usual because it would act like 80-160 ms connection on a client/sever based game.
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 Vchat20Landing is the REAL challengePremium
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Columbus, OH | I have to agree with this. Also keep in mind it's not just the network latency, but the latency in processing. Such as the server needing to process the video feed, encode it, and send it back to you. That's gonna add some noticeable latency depending on what type of technique they use (high res, high motion video in most games at the speeds they plan on supporting is gonna need some really unique system to make it work)
So even if the network latency between you and their server is only gonna be like 75ms or so, I say add another 75ms on the low side to get the full latency involved.
I await to see this thing go full hog and see how they plan to manage all these little 'aha's' involved.
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| said by Vchat20:I await to see this thing go full hog and see how they plan to manage all these little 'aha's' involved. One of the ways they are managing it will be there "within 1,000 mile of the servers" requirement.
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| Being within 1000 miles of where the games are located won't help with video compression/decompression latency. That latency would be there even if you're 10 feet away.
They need to show this outside of a closed network. As far as we know, in their closed and small network test, the video probably wasn't compressed at all.
But if they're going to get down to 1.5mbit for SD and 5mbit for HD, they're going to need some serious compression. |
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Maineville, OH | reply to wifi4milez
Yes, but you are talking about latency between your console, and the server. That is more than supportable. but we are talking about that latency added between you, and your console. I happen to know that my reaction time on average is about 400ms. If you add another 200ms of latency between the time I hit jump, and I actually jump..... It will be extremely visible, and unacceptable in comparison to a local console.
That is another consideration that many may not be looking at, the competition. This will have to perform, and compete with local consoles. I don't think it will fare well.
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | said by wentlanc:Yes, but you are talking about latency between your console, and the server. That is more than supportable. but we are talking about that latency added between you, and your console. I happen to know that my reaction time on average is about 400ms. If you add another 200ms of latency between the time I hit jump, and I actually jump..... It will be extremely visible, and unacceptable in comparison to a local console. That is another consideration that many may not be looking at, the competition. This will have to perform, and compete with local consoles. I don't think it will fare well. cw I guess only time will tell.
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