 | [Phish] Predicto Scam: class action for unauthorized billing Don't ever enter your cell number when asked, PREDICTO will bill you right away. They use phishing on job posting, games, health care, etc.... Predicto is hit by class action suit since 09/18/2009 for charging actual cell subscribers using invalid subscription contracts see »www.courthousenews.com/2009/09/1···tel2.pdf
This is a nationwide scam.
When receiving messages from caller ID 654-654, call immediately your cell phone company, try to get the charge removed, ask them to block 3rd party billing, submit a complaint to Better Business Bureau, complaints to every internet board where class action info are gathered.
Unfortunately young and old people are mostly targeted: check your kids cell bills, if old people are living in your community, help them to check their cell bills.
Look for any $9.99 Premium text messaging on bill. |
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1 edit | From the pdf "In a widespread industry practice little known by those outside the industry, but known to Defendants, carriers such as Alltel routinely recycle so-called dirty telephone numbers to their customers when they sign up for new cellular telephone service. The numbers are recycled in that they were previously assigned to another person or entity. The numbers are dirty in that Predicto and other content providers fail to remove the pre-existing billing obligations, as required to do under their contracts with the aggregator and/or the wireless carrier partners."
So they assign a new customer a number knowing that number comes preloaded with extra charges? I've never heard of that practice but if true the executives who either sit around & mull ways of increasing revenue without regard to ethics or give such unethical policies the green light should be held personally responsible. The Corporate shield should offer zero protection in matters of outright fraud. |
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 | Carriers recycle phone number after they provide the list of phone with terminated contracts to third parties like Predicto.
The 3rd party (Predicto) signs a protocol where they engage themselves to terminate any contracts attached to the cell phone numbers listed by Alltel, Verizon, Sprint, ATT, T-Mobile, etc...
As you can read in the cour document, Predicto ignored the rules established in this protocol and bill new subscribers who never passed any contract with Predicto (or get scammed).
Predicto never cleared the cell-phone number from old attached contracts and use these old contracts to bill the new customers.
There is a double scam: the basic subscriber scam and the investor scam as Predicto claims that they are leader in the paid service cell phone market with 1.8 Millions subscribers.
Once we count the unused cell-numbers, the people who got scammed and who don't know (because they didn't check their bills), the people who asked Predicto to stop billing and still get billed how many still remain in this market segment.
Investor are misled by figures and get scammed too. This business is all built on air.
But what is shameful is to see kids and old people scammed by predators like Predicto. |
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| said by john_sf :
But what is shameful is to see kids and old people scammed by predators like Predicto. Exactly. To the detractors of class action suits in general, I'd say this is a good example of a judicious use of the process. Mahalo for the thread/info. |
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 pcdebbRIP dadkinsPremium join:2000-12-03 Brandon, FL kudos:4 | reply to Snowy said by Snowy:So they assign a new customer a number knowing that number comes preloaded with extra charges? Negative. The carrier doesn't know what billing is on the "dirty" number. When a number is disco, it 's in the "dirty" pile for x amount of time (I dont know the time). When I got my number it hadn't been disco long because I was getting collection calls from the previous owner of the number.
I will be the first to agree that Predictomobile is playing a dirty dirty game. I work for a wireless carrier, and a day doesn't go by where customer is calling to inquire about premium sms charges from these outfits. There are others, but Predicto is one of the worst. I've seen these charges on the wireless cards, which have no way of texting at all. some are from previous subscribers, but most I think are getting slammed/crammed with their subscriptions. -- | map your city | tweet | |
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 pcdebbRIP dadkinsPremium join:2000-12-03 Brandon, FL kudos:4 1 edit | reply to john_sf said by john_sf :
Carriers recycle phone number after they provide the list of phone with terminated contracts to third parties like Predicto. Do you have a source for this info?
and to add, rather than this guy drumming up a class action, why not call up his carrier (Alltel) and let them know, so it can be credited on his account? While I can understand his frustration, I see some holes in this lawsuit. Alltel and other carriers aren't the real bad guys when it all boils down. -- | map your city | tweet | |
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 MGDPremium,MVM join:2002-07-31 Fort Lauderdale, FL kudos:9 1 edit | reply to Snowy said by Snowy:.......... ... To the detractors of class action suits in general, I'd say this is a good example of a judicious use of the process. Mahalo for the thread/info. Agree, I am not generally in favor of CAs, however, I make exceptions when they are used as a vehicle of last resort to force change.
The Predicto name sounded familiar, I saw the large volume of consumer complaints on various websites. So I looked up the domains:
IP 69.20.121.35 [reverse DNS - web.shoploop.com]
1. Predicto.com 2. Predictomobile.com 3. Predictotv.com
But all three were anonymous privacy cloaked:
================================= Registration Service Provided By: Enom, Inc Domain name: predictomobile.com
Registrant Contact: Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc. Whois Agent ()
Fax: PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1 C/O predictomobile.com Bellevue, WA 98007 US
Administrative Contact: Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc. Whois Agent (vswndtyy@whoisprivacyprotect.com) +1.4252740657 Fax: +1.4256960234 PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1 C/O predictomobile.com Bellevue, WA 98007 US
Name Servers: ns.rackspace.com ns2.rackspace.com
Creation date: 20 Mar 2007 14:41:43 Expiration date: 20 Mar 2010 14:41:00 =================================
So I went back to the first day of the domain registration in March of 2007:
================================= Registration Service Provided By: ShopLoop.com, Inc. DBA NextWeb Media Contact: itai@nextwebmedia.com Domain name: predictomobile.com
Administrative Contact: ShopLoop.com, Inc. DBA NextWeb Media Itai Kathein (itai[@]nextwebmedia.com) +1.2125881180 Fax: 212-588-1191 8050 SW 10th St, Suite 1400 Plantation, FL 33324 US =================================
Then I saw this recent Press Release:
»www.prweb.com/releases/2009/04/p···7764.htm
quote: "An increasing number of consumers are choosing to use their cell phone to access information and stay updated on the latest news and current events" stated Eyal Yechezkell, CEO and co-founder of Predicto. "We are delighted by the continued growth of the Predicto community and will continue to look for additional ways to engage and entertain consumers on their mobile devices."
About Predicto Predicto Mobile has established itself as one of the most sought after text message services providing live feeds and information for people and the media to discover what the country really thinks about pop culture and current events. Predicto is a privately owned company headquartered in New York. Follow the company's updates on the Predicto Twitter page and latest videos at Predicto TV.
Then I saw this:
quote: NextWeb Media
»www.nextwebmedia.com/company
Eyal Yechezkell, Co-founder & CEO Itai Kathein, Co-founder & President
We're NextWeb Media and since 1999 we've been building a proprietary subscription-based network one exciting service at a time. Utilizing management's extensive marketing skills, the company has developed a market leading network of websites with some of the highest converting offers online reaching millions of Americans every month. Our innovative team consists of a variety of specialized talents including direct marketers, copywriters, programmers, graphic designers, and customer support representatives.
I was humming.. old dogs, new tricks..... Then I remembered .......................
Circa 2006:












DSLR Scambusters, Circa October 2008: »[Scam] Predicto
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 MGDPremium,MVM join:2002-07-31 Fort Lauderdale, FL kudos:9 | reply to Snowy said by Snowy:said by john_sf :
But what is shameful is to see kids and old people scammed by predators like Predicto. Exactly. To the detractors of class action suits in general, I'd say this is a good example of a judicious use of the process. Mahalo for the thread/info. Certainly qualifies under my criteria:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 16, 2007
Washington Consumers Eligible for Refunds from Email Discount Network
SEATTLE Washington state consumers are eligible for refunds as part of a settlement reached between the Florida Attorney Generals Office and Email Discount Network (EDN). Email Discount Network, located in Florida, charged more than 250,000 consumers nationwide a monthly fee for shopping coupons and discounts the company advertised on the Internet.
An investigation by the Florida Attorney Generals Economic Crimes Division found consumers were unaware they were being charged this monthly fee on their phone bills. The state filed a civil lawsuit against the company last September, claiming EDN failed to clearly disclose that the offers for savings were not free. Additionally, it was not made clear that customers who submitted personal information to the company would be charged unless they contacted EDN to cancel their subscriptions.
Under the settlement, EDN must refund customers who submit valid claims to the company. Restitution is expected to exceed $1 million. EDN will also prominently disclose the monthly fee when it advertises on the Internet, as well as a consumers obligation to cancel services to avoid being charged.
The case was one of many recent investigations by the Florida Attorney Generals Office into a practice known as "cramming," in which companies place unauthorized charges on phone bills. Washington consumers can reduce their risk of becoming cramming victims by following the tips below.
Refund Requests
Under the settlement agreement, EDN must notify eligible customers by e-mail that they are entitled to a refund. Washington residents who believe they are eligible for a refund should monitor their e-mail for a message from EDN.
The message includes a claim form and instructs consumers to provide their name, telephone number billed by EDN, mailing address and the number of months of service for which they seek a refund. Completed forms should be mailed to EDN: 1844 Nob Hill Road, #142, Plantation, FL, 33322, Attn: Consumer Refund Manager. Consumers must submit forms within 60 days of receipt
Ref: »www.atg.wa.gov/pressrelease.aspx?id=14424
Déjà vu, perhaps?: »www.google.com/search?q=Email+Di···=en&sa=2
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| said by MGD:FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 16, 2007 Washington Consumers Eligible for Refunds from Email Discount NetworkWashington residents who believe they are eligible for a refund should monitor their e-mail for a message from EDN. A sharp bad guy would already be mass mailing WA residents with their EDN phishmail. All we need to complete the refund process is your... |
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 | reply to john_sf Thank you for your contributions! Eyal Yezchekelly, Predicto Mobile CEO already helped to found another company called Email Discount Network (EDN) and guess what? EDN was sued in Florida, Washington State, and Georgia for the same type of scam Predicto is spreading today. See Washington State Office settlement agreement (EDN) »www.atg.wa.gov/pressrelease.aspx?id=14424 See Georgia Settlements (EDN) »www.lawyersandsettlements.com/se···ng.html# Georgia Subscriber Refunds »www.georgia.gov/00/article/0,208···,00.html See state State of Florida complaint: »myfloridalegal.com/webfiles.nsf/···aint.pdf See Predicto Mobile CEO on YouTube (the guy will appear in the middle of this interview):
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi8foOw7OXQ My guess is that Predicto, Predicto Mobile, PredictoMobile, or whatever is using kind of pyramid scheme to pay back previous subscribers with new subscribers just like Madoff in the financial arena. My question is now: do Cell phone companies ever check customers complains, I just send a letter with a photocopy of the above documents to Verizon and ask them how they can authorize Predicto Mobile as a 3rd party. Dear readers, if you have some time, please send these information to your cell-phone companies (Sprint, T-Mobile, Verizon, Alltell, etc
). The cell-phone companies are in part responsible for this mess as they share revenue with Predicto or other 3rd parties. I am sure cell-phone companies know about the scam but the financial incentive is too high for them to change. |
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 | We are sorry to hear about your experience. Please be aware that we at PredictoMobile take customer satisfaction very seriously and would like to address any concerns you may have. You can call us 24 hours a day, 7 days a week at 800-360-0518 so that we can resolve your inquiry; you can also contact our customer service at »predicto.com/support or by sending an SMS message with the word HELP to 654654. Keep in mind, we post our toll-free customer service number on our website and include it in SMS messages we send to your cell phone.
Please note we use an industry best practice double opt-in to prevent inadvertent or fraudulent sign-ups. To enroll in our service, a prospective member must first submit their cell phone number on the PredictoMobile sign-up page which clearly explains our terms and conditions including the monthly price of the service and billing to the cell phone. We then send a text message to their cell phone which again discloses the essential membership terms. They then must correctly enter the PIN on our website or reply with a confirmation SMS message from their cell phone to activate the account. The double opt-in process and clear disclosures ensures a high level of consumer protection and satisfaction. If a member wants to cancel the service, they can simply text stop to 654654 or call Customer Service or go to »predicto.com/support.
We hope this addresses any concerns you may have; if not please contact us and well take care of your issues.
Sincerely,
Customer Service PredictoMobile |
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 Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDISPremium join:2000-09-05 Dallas, TX 1 edit | reply to john_sf Looks like boilerplate to me. The wording is remarkably similar to that of the 12-12-2008 post.
And the phrase "double opt in" is a telltale sign you might be dealing with a spammer or scammer. Only they use such a phrase.
The correct term, BTW, is confirmed opt in. -- "The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)
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 pcdebbRIP dadkinsPremium join:2000-12-03 Brandon, FL kudos:4 | reply to john_sf that double opt-in is an excuse IMO. I saw wireless card accounts that had predicto (and other) subscriptions on them. there's no possible way for a wireless card to sign up for anything 
the double opt-in statement is more like a catchall to CYA -- | map your city | tweet | |
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