Topic 'Re: Does anyone use these?' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23112779 en Wed, 22 May 2013 03:54:46 EDT Wed, 22 May 2013 03:54:46 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23182565 said by 60529262:

Spoken like a cable company PR hack.

If you kill the demand by not making them widely available of course the manufacturers are not going to support it. You NCTA people are so fscking transparent.
Wrong, as usual.

I spoke as the owner (and purchaser) of a TV that I bought specifically BECAUSE it supported CableCARD; for me, CableCARD was a requirement strictly BECAUSE I wanted no part of a set-top box. The TV works fine (it's still on my bedroom wall, and still running today); however, I also followed the horror (and lots of pain) that was posted by fellow purchasers of TVs that supported CableCARD (head over to »www.avsforum.com and read for yourself).

My purchase of a TV that supported CableCARD was decidedly atypical because most folks that bought HDTVs then (as now) bought based on price (not features), and CableCARD support was an option in 2005 (when I bought my plasma TV) and a very expensive one, even for a plasma HDTV. (In fact, Philips sold quite a few of the 42PF5XXX models in 2005, despite the sub-par plasma panel and lack of CableCARD support in the 7xxx and top-end 9xxx. The model that Philips replaced my 7320A/37A with lacked CableCARD, but used the same panel (and, oddly enough, the SRP actually went up). My Mom wanted to purchase a sub-40" TV with CableCARD in 2008 and she can't buy such a HDTV new today. We've been looking at 55" HDTVs (preferably OLED, but straight LCD and plasmas remain in the running); however, CableCARD isn't available there, either.)

In other words, I'm speaking as a TV purchaser; the only tie I have to cable is that I'm a Comcast customer, and that meant exactly diddly to the point I made.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23182565 Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:26:06 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23121456 said by b10010011:

said by aaronwt:

I was recording and watching HD programing in 2001 with a P3 . A few years ago I had a cheap dual core with two USB tuners and a USB storage drive. It had zero problems recording two HD programs, watching a program on that PC and sending two programs to two other PCs on my gigabit network. All concurrently.

And this is with all the content being read and written to/from the same USB drive and this was a few years ago. A current cheap PC should have no problems if my cheap PC from a few years ago could do it.
I would like to see that. I have a Hauppauge PCIe HD tuner card and my dual core AMD 4800+ has trouble even displaying an HD channel without frequent pauses. Recording even one HD channels is impossible and I have a fast SATA drive.
Something must be wrong with your system. The hard drive will not be the bottle neck since a 5400 rpm drive is more than fast enough. And I was running two HD tuners off USB with no hiccups.
I've run my tuners on other systems I own with no problems either. All on systems I had built a few years ago. I haven't used my Cat's Eye tuners in while now since I have a bunch of TiVos to use instead.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23121456 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:49:52 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23118334 See Profile stated, there's no encoding and your tuner card and computer should just drop the MPEG2 files to your hard drive.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23118334 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 05:56:33 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23118052 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23118052 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:38:31 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23118023 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23118023 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:24:56 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23117683 said by rv65:

Not going to happen. Linux would need some changes and DRM support for CableCard.Or just someone to reverse engineer the windows drivers like they did for pretty much every Broadcom card that's currently supported...

/mackey]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23117683 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:28:51 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23117676 said by openbox9:

said by aaronwt:

I sometimes have ten to twelve recordings going on from HD channels.
:o...You must have a lot of viewers in your house to be able to watch all of that content.
I was thinking the same thing! I'm a gadget nut myself, but that seems like overkill.
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I was recording and watching HD programing in 2001 with a P3 . A few years ago I had a cheap dual core with two USB tuners and a USB storage drive. It had zero problems recording two HD programs, watching a program on that PC and sending two programs to two other PCs on my gigabit network. All concurrently.

And this is with all the content being read and written to/from the same USB drive and this was a few years ago. A current cheap PC should have no problems if my cheap PC from a few years ago could do it.
I would like to see that. I have a Hauppauge PCIe HD tuner card and my dual core AMD 4800+ has trouble even displaying an HD channel without frequent pauses. Recording even one HD channels is impossible and I have a fast SATA drive.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23117512 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:50:08 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23115254
Not going to happen. Linux would need some changes and DRM support for CableCard. Plus they would have to get it certified. However, Broadcom devices run Linux and they're certified but they're embedded STB's that run some mixture of proprietary and Open Source software. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23115254 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:18:25 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23115125 said by aaronwt:

said by Spatch:

I have recently switched back to Comcast after a couple of years of satellite. I have a media center pc that does not receive all channels. I see it installed into a pc in the pic. Would this allow reception of all the channels on my media center pc? I have never heard of this.
I use eight cable cards with FIOS. When I had Comcast I was using six cable cards with them.

For the PC you need to get this.
»gizmodo.com/5357722/cetons-cable···one-slot

It can handle up to six tuners with one multistream cable card. They will be out early next year and will be in high demand.
That is so cool! I hope someone will have Linux drivers!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23115125 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:54:37 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23115034 said by aaronwt:

I sometimes have ten to twelve recordings going on from HD channels. :o...You must have a lot of viewers in your house to be able to watch all of that content.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23115034 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:41:45 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23115003 said by krichek:

said by fifty nine:

said by b10010011:

Yeah, there are PC tuner cards that can use a cable card and they would allow your PC to receive every channel a set top box does.

Bu they are only single tuner cards, so like in the picture you would need multiple cards to record multiple channels at the same time

So in reality a lifetime subscribed Tivo-HD is a more cost effective solution than a media center PC for a DVR.
That's changing. It used to be that you could only get a Cablecard tuner as part of a whole new PC from HP and others. Now Cablelabs loosened the restrictions so that you can pop a cablecard tuner into any old PC.
Provided it's running Windows 7.
That's correct.

But it's a HUGE leap from when you had to have a PC from HP or another OEM with a signed BIOS before you would even be allowed to connect the tuner to your PC.

I'm a TiVo fan and I'm seriously considering a media center PC due to the fact that I can do 4 tuners instead of just two and not pay a sub fee to tivo. TiVo was great in the early days but lately has been quite disappointing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23115003 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:36:59 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114975
If you kill the demand by not making them widely available of course the manufacturers are not going to support it. You NCTA people are so fscking transparent.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114975 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:33:07 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114926 said by SLD:

The problem is that they are *only* sold with a new "certified" PC that has DRM-galore. You can't just buy one or two and put them into your PC.
That is changing.

»gizmodo.com/5356007/normal-peopl···ws-7-pcs

With Windows 7, you can buy a tuner aftermarket and install in any PC. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114926 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:27:12 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114919 said by fifty nine:

said by b10010011:

Yeah, there are PC tuner cards that can use a cable card and they would allow your PC to receive every channel a set top box does.

Bu they are only single tuner cards, so like in the picture you would need multiple cards to record multiple channels at the same time

So in reality a lifetime subscribed Tivo-HD is a more cost effective solution than a media center PC for a DVR.
That's changing. It used to be that you could only get a Cablecard tuner as part of a whole new PC from HP and others. Now Cablelabs loosened the restrictions so that you can pop a cablecard tuner into any old PC.
Provided it's running Windows 7.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114919 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:26:30 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114911 said by PGHammer:

However, most cable companies (and Comcast in particular) have no interest (and less desire) to deploy as finicky and persnickety a technology as CableCARD; worse, fewer and fewer TVs nowadays support them! (Looking for one in a big-box retailer? You won't find one at Best Buy, or Wal-Mart, either. If you find one, it will likely be not only a closeout but one of those slow-selling-as-molasses-in-Antarctica rear-projection TVs, and at a specialty-retailer or e-tailer like overstock.com or buy,com.)

Head over to AVSForum (»www.avsforum.com) sometime and check out the problems folks are running into to get CableCARD supporting TVs (in fact, any CableCARD-supporting device outside of Tivo). The reality is that Tivo (alone of all the companies in the CEA) went the extra mile to support CableCARD, while the majority of the CEA membership didn't even go the first mile.
The reality is that problems notwithstanding, CableCARD is all we have right now to escape from cable box hell.

After using a S3 TiVo I will never go back to a cable box, ever. In fact being able to use a TiVo is the only reason I tolerate cable in the first place. I would be using satellite which has more HD channels in better quality if it weren't for CableCARD.

So I view CableCARD as a necessary evil, and I am glad that the FCC is requiring it. Until some better solution comes along, that is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114911 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:25:41 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114898
But the wife says that she can't do without the "guide" that makes it so easy to find the show she wants to watch.

So I suppose I'm going to live with the extra remote just so she can have her "guide" button... sigh.
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Even one made several years ago would not have a problem. The HD streams are very slow. 19mbs at most. even an old 5400 rpm drive can handle multiple HD streams being read and written concurrently without any hiccups.
I chose "within the last 2 years or so" simply because the card will require a PCI-e slot when it first arrives. They have stated a USB version may appear but for now, a board with a PCI-e slot is going to give you a CPU made within the past 2-3 years.

I know the actual requirements are much less. Heck, I remember recording OTA HD on a 700MHz Duron processor, (It did have a HW decoding card tho) ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114894 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:23:38 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114761 said by krichek:

said by b10010011:

said by fifty nine:

That's changing. It used to be that you could only get a Cablecard tuner as part of a whole new PC from HP and others. Now Cablelabs loosened the restrictions so that you can pop a cablecard tuner into any old PC.
Sure but do the math.

four-tuner version of the card somewhere between $300 and $600. (so lets say $200-$300 for a two tuner version)

A PC powerful enough to record two HD streams while playing back an HD recording is going to be in the $1000+ range as none of these cards have hardware encoders for HD recording.

A Tivo-HD with lifetime subscription is about $700 and even less if you catch a sale.
The specs listed on the Ceton website are well below a PC in the $1000+ range and frankly I think they are just being cautious. The system doesn't need to be powerful at all and the cards don't need hardware encoders either. Why?

Because the card is simply recording the stream presented by your cable provider. Your hard drive choice is arguably more important then how powerful a CPU you have, provided said CPU was made sometime with in the past 2 years or so.
Even one made several years ago would not have a problem. The HD streams are very slow. 19mbs at most. even an old 5400 rpm drive can handle multiple HD streams being read and written concurrently without any hiccups.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114761 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:02:44 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114715 said by b10010011:

said by fifty nine:

That's changing. It used to be that you could only get a Cablecard tuner as part of a whole new PC from HP and others. Now Cablelabs loosened the restrictions so that you can pop a cablecard tuner into any old PC.
Sure but do the math.

four-tuner version of the card somewhere between $300 and $600. (so lets say $200-$300 for a two tuner version)

A PC powerful enough to record two HD streams while playing back an HD recording is going to be in the $1000+ range as none of these cards have hardware encoders for HD recording.

A Tivo-HD with lifetime subscription is about $700 and even less if you catch a sale.
The specs listed on the Ceton website are well below a PC in the $1000+ range and frankly I think they are just being cautious. The system doesn't need to be powerful at all and the cards don't need hardware encoders either. Why?

Because the card is simply recording the stream presented by your cable provider. Your hard drive choice is arguably more important then how powerful a CPU you have, provided said CPU was made sometime with in the past 2 years or so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114715 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:57:34 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114673 said by b10010011:

said by fifty nine:

That's changing. It used to be that you could only get a Cablecard tuner as part of a whole new PC from HP and others. Now Cablelabs loosened the restrictions so that you can pop a cablecard tuner into any old PC.
Sure but do the math.

four-tuner version of the card somewhere between $300 and $600. (so lets say $200-$300 for a two tuner version)

A PC powerful enough to record two HD streams while playing back an HD recording is going to be in the $1000+ range as none of these cards have hardware encoders for HD recording.

A TiVo-HD with lifetime subscription is about $700 and even less if you catch a sale.
No encoding is necessary. the HD stream is just recorded as is. You only need to decode it when watching. A very cheap dual core has no problem recording multiple streams. An HD stream is very slow. at most 19mbs and a USB 5400 rpm drive can do that.

I was recording and watching HD programing in 2001 with a P3 . A few years ago I had a cheap dual core with two USB tuners and a USB storage drive. It had zero problems recording two HD programs, watching a program on that PC and sending two programs to two other PCs on my gigabit network. All concurrently.

And this is with all the content being read and written to/from the same USB drive and this was a few years ago. A current cheap PC should have no problems if my cheap PC from a few years ago could do it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114673 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:51:57 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114651 said by N3OGH:

From the article

"The official launch is 2010, so we won't be seeing these cards for a little while yet, so there's time for the networks to collaborate to make and air six shows that are worth recording in the same time slot."

Cool gadget, but I honestly can't think of any instance where there is 6 programs simultaneously on air that I just HAVE to watch.

Quite frankly, I often have trouble finding one program worth watching, let alone 6!
I sometimes have ten to twelve recordings going on from HD channels. IT doesn't happen too often but the norm for me is 3 to 6 HD recordings at once.

Even back in 2001 I sometimes had a couple of shows on in HD that needed to be recorded. But back then only 40% to 45% of what I watched was HD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114651 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:48:20 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114433 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114433 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:14:23 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114237 said by b10010011:

said by fifty nine:

That's changing. It used to be that you could only get a Cablecard tuner as part of a whole new PC from HP and others. Now Cablelabs loosened the restrictions so that you can pop a cablecard tuner into any old PC.
Sure but do the math.

four-tuner version of the card somewhere between $300 and $600. (so lets say $200-$300 for a two tuner version)

A PC powerful enough to record two HD streams while playing back an HD recording is going to be in the $1000+ range as none of these cards have hardware encoders for HD recording.

A Tivo-HD with lifetime subscription is about $700 and even less if you catch a sale.
A PC powerful enough to support the Ceton requires nothing more than a quad-core from Intel or AMD (and not even a recent one; even a Phenom X4 (first-generation) or Q6600 (no longer manufactured by Intel) will do quite nicely). Or, if you want something from the current generation, Phenom II X4 or i5-750. Such PCs (the current-generation ones) are not even $800.

However, most cable companies (and Comcast in particular) have no interest (and less desire) to deploy as finicky and persnickety a technology as CableCARD; worse, fewer and fewer TVs nowadays support them! (Looking for one in a big-box retailer? You won't find one at Best Buy, or Wal-Mart, either. If you find one, it will likely be not only a closeout but one of those slow-selling-as-molasses-in-Antarctica rear-projection TVs, and at a specialty-retailer or e-tailer like overstock.com or buy,com.)

Head over to AVSForum (»www.avsforum.com) sometime and check out the problems folks are running into to get CableCARD supporting TVs (in fact, any CableCARD-supporting device outside of Tivo). The reality is that Tivo (alone of all the companies in the CEA) went the extra mile to support CableCARD, while the majority of the CEA membership didn't even go the first mile.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23114237 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:47:29 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23113321
They work fine. TWC charges me 5.25 per month for all three. Sure beats the pants off cable boxes.

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That's changing. It used to be that you could only get a Cablecard tuner as part of a whole new PC from HP and others. Now Cablelabs loosened the restrictions so that you can pop a cablecard tuner into any old PC.
Sure but do the math.

four-tuner version of the card somewhere between $300 and $600. (so lets say $200-$300 for a two tuner version)

A PC powerful enough to record two HD streams while playing back an HD recording is going to be in the $1000+ range as none of these cards have hardware encoders for HD recording.

A Tivo-HD with lifetime subscription is about $700 and even less if you catch a sale.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23113264 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 11:54:23 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23113102 said by b10010011:

Yeah, there are PC tuner cards that can use a cable card and they would allow your PC to receive every channel a set top box does.

Bu they are only single tuner cards, so like in the picture you would need multiple cards to record multiple channels at the same time

So in reality a lifetime subscribed Tivo-HD is a more cost effective solution than a media center PC for a DVR.
That's changing. It used to be that you could only get a Cablecard tuner as part of a whole new PC from HP and others. Now Cablelabs loosened the restrictions so that you can pop a cablecard tuner into any old PC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23113102 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 11:38:04 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23113089
"The official launch is 2010, so we won't be seeing these cards for a little while yet, so there's time for the networks to collaborate to make and air six shows that are worth recording in the same time slot."

Cool gadget, but I honestly can't think of any instance where there is 6 programs simultaneously on air that I just HAVE to watch.

Quite frankly, I often have trouble finding one program worth watching, let alone 6!
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Yeah, there are PC tuner cards that can use a cable card and they would allow your PC to receive every channel a set top box does.

Bu they are only single tuner cards, so like in the picture you would need multiple cards to record multiple channels at the same time

So in reality a lifetime subscribed TiVo-HD is a more cost effective solution than a media center PC for a DVR.
I personally prefer TiVo, but with the Ceton card, it will have two, four or six tuners. It will only need one multi stream cable card and will have one cable input that will split internally to all the tuners.
It's a better solution than what is in the picture at the top, that shows a cable connected to each card with a cable card in it and probably only one tuner.
One ceton card will replace up to six of those. I only wish they were available eight years ago when I first started recording HD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23112865 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 11:02:55 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23112815
Bu they are only single tuner cards, so like in the picture you would need multiple cards to record multiple channels at the same time

So in reality a lifetime subscribed Tivo-HD is a more cost effective solution than a media center PC for a DVR.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23112815 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 10:55:14 EDT Re: Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23112787 said by Spatch:

I have recently switched back to Comcast after a couple of years of satellite. I have a media center pc that does not receive all channels. I see it installed into a pc in the pic. Would this allow reception of all the channels on my media center pc? I have never heard of this.
I use eight cable cards with FIOS. When I had Comcast I was using six cable cards with them.

For the PC you need to get this.
»gizmodo.com/5357722/cetons-cable···one-slot

It can handle up to six tuners with one multistream cable card. They will be out early next year and will be in high demand.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Does-anyone-use-these-23112787 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 10:51:30 EDT Does anyone use these? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Does-anyone-use-these-23112779 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Does-anyone-use-these-23112779 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 10:49:01 EDT